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"Under the Lake" Grading and Discussion Thread
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The universe managed to balance things out in "Waters of Mars" in a more subtle manner than dragons eating anybody.
Perhaps the changing of time being a problem is limited to the Doctor knowing specifically which element he's changing? Maybe the Doctor's clueless enough about the situation that he's just bumbling into something as opposed to Rose knowingly saving her father from a specific car crash. It might also work itself it out in the end in a self-fullfilling timeloop sort of way.
Perhaps the changing of time being a problem is limited to the Doctor knowing specifically which element he's changing? Maybe the Doctor's clueless enough about the situation that he's just bumbling into something as opposed to Rose knowingly saving her father from a specific car crash. It might also work itself it out in the end in a self-fullfilling timeloop sort of way.
Ah, the Father's Day reapers... Such fun.
Or as I called them the TMTBYAO
Time Monkeys That Bite Your Ass Off
Or as I called them the TMTBYAO
Time Monkeys That Bite Your Ass Off
It means the base exploded as it was supposed to, Adelaide died that day and didn't cause a butterfly effect and her granddaughter was still inspired to pilot the first warp ship later on.
So the fixed point in time stays intact.
Well, her descendant probably was inspired to search the stars to try to understand why did Adelaide see that forced her to end her life.
I thought waters of mars was the worst episode since the revival. It was a poorly done rehash of Silence in the Library.
I can't believe someone would just nip off and shoot themselves just like that. And in the foyer of the home. Yes that's not traumatic for the family at all, is it? Grandma splattering herself all over the front door always encourages people to great things, doesn't it?
I can't believe someone would just nip off and shoot themselves just like that. And in the foyer of the home. Yes that's not traumatic for the family at all, is it? Grandma splattering herself all over the front door always encourages people to great things, doesn't it?
Oh I understand how it was supposed to work, but grandma dying in a mysterious explosion on Mars was one thing. Grandma rocking up on Earth somehow and immediately blowing her brains out is something else entirely.
Not even close.
The Waters of Mars is one of the best Doctor Who stories, ever. Ever.
Thus, its not even close to being the worst episode since the revival.
I wish the Doctor had stayed dark like he was in Waters Of Mars...
Matter of opinion, of course. I agree with Murders dem that it is pretty bad episode, including the reasons he/she already explained. However, I disagree with the notion that poorly done rehash of "Silence in the Library."
For me Waters of Mars sits somewhere in the middle of Who eps, maybe low middle but I don't think it's terrible except insofar as the special moniker does it few favours because it implies it should be better.
I've seen a lot of people claim it's one of their favourite episodes though so it does have a lot of fans.
I've seen a lot of people claim it's one of their favourite episodes though so it does have a lot of fans.
I really enjoyed Water of Mars. It was intense, creepy, had an interesting environment. I actually wish that more DW stories would have this intensity. You could really feel the pressure building up within the Doctor. It was believable how he'd end up breaking the rules.
I do agree that the suicide probably shouldn't reset things the way it was meant to. I also didn't completely buy the fact that she'd kill herself given the situation anyway. So, a few niggles with the ending. Overall, I thought it was a great episode.
Mr Awe
I do agree that the suicide probably shouldn't reset things the way it was meant to. I also didn't completely buy the fact that she'd kill herself given the situation anyway. So, a few niggles with the ending. Overall, I thought it was a great episode.
Mr Awe
We now have this AND the ratings thread devoted to a discussion of Waters of Mars! If it's of that much interest, start a new thread? Just a thought.
I watched "Under the Lake" last night and it was pretty decent. Loved the cue cards bit and the overall story was eerie. I don't think it's the best episode of the season yet, but that might be just my overall feelings of Doctor Who now, which I realized might have gone down over the years.
Well, mostly because they were running from suits filled with Vashta Narada, and in Mars water they were running from people filed with bad water is why I made that comparison. Also, I like Silence in the Library.
It's strange all of the times they are running from things, it doesn't usually make me think, Oh they are running again. Even in Under the Lake they are running again. But the only episode that made me think Ugh, we just did this was Waters of Mars. Oh, well.