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Ubuntu 8.10 released!

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...well, it's technically released tomorrow but you can grab the RC now to avoid tomorrow's server rush. The RC is identical to tomorrow's release and you can later get a small update to refresh the branding.

8.10 (Intrepid Ibex) is an evolutionary but solid update to 8.04. I've been using the Beta / RC for some time now and it's worth your look.

www.ubuntu.com

Hardy users: type sudo update-manager -d to force your update manager to see the Intrepid release candidate.


Users of Nvidia cards - 8.10 *should* know enough to rebuild your video card drivers for the new linux Kernel - if anybody has tried the update, I'm curious as to whether the auto rebuild was successful or not.
 
Note: if you have a really old Nvidia card (like REALLY old - we're talking GeForce MX420, etc.) don't install Intrepid. It ships with an Xorg that currently doesn't support the legacy Nvidia GLX drivers (so you'll default to the lame nv open source version, which doesn't work all that well).

Most other cards should work well. On my machine at work I have an NVidia GTX 260 and I'm using the 177 x64 drivers from the Ubuntu repositories just fine ...
 
...well, it's technically released tomorrow but you can grab the RC now to avoid tomorrow's server rush. The RC is identical to tomorrow's release and you can later get a small update to refresh the branding.

8.10 (Intrepid Ibex) is an evolutionary but solid update to 8.04. I've been using the Beta / RC for some time now and it's worth your look.

www.ubuntu.com

Hardy users: type sudo update-manager -d to force your update manager to see the Intrepid release candidate.


Users of Nvidia cards - 8.10 *should* know enough to rebuild your video card drivers for the new linux Kernel - if anybody has tried the update, I'm curious as to whether the auto rebuild was successful or not.

I have 8.04 and an 8500GT. I hope the drivers will work.
As for 8.10, what sets it apart from 8.04?

J.
 
^The drivers will work fine your 8800 GT. Let Ubuntu autodetect your card and install the 177 GLX drivers from the Intrepid repository. (it will then take care of rebuilding your driver after every kernel update - unlike when you manually install the driver).

New in Intrepid:


  1. GNOME 2.24
  2. X.Org 7.4
  3. Linux kernel 2.6.27
  4. Encrypted private directory
  5. Guest session
  6. Network Manager 0.7
  7. DKMS
  8. Samba 3.2
  9. PAM authentication framework
Again, it's evolutionary - more like a service pack. But it's worth the ~20 min it takes to update. It's overall a more polished release than Hardy (largely thanks to the latest Linux Kernel and Gnome version).
 
I had a much easier time getting Skype to work correctly with PulseAudio with this version, so I'll definitely say they've improved some things...

A few more versions, and I might feel confident enough to ditch Windows entirely...
 
It seems as if each release of Ubuntu is more bleeding-edge than the last.

One of these days it's going to hemorrhage and die.

...And the world will be a better place. :vulcan:
 
^The drivers will work fine your 8800 GT. Let Ubuntu autodetect your card and install the 177 GLX drivers from the Intrepid repository. (it will then take care of rebuilding your driver after every kernel update - unlike when you manually install the driver).

New in Intrepid:


  1. GNOME 2.24
  2. X.Org 7.4
  3. Linux kernel 2.6.27
  4. Encrypted private directory
  5. Guest session
  6. Network Manager 0.7
  7. DKMS
  8. Samba 3.2
  9. PAM authentication framework
Again, it's evolutionary - more like a service pack. But it's worth the ~20 min it takes to update. It's overall a more polished release than Hardy (largely thanks to the latest Linux Kernel and Gnome version).

All updated!
It still looks the same, but I see a few new options that weren't there before. Stable as always, too. :D

J.
 
Ubuntu never likes my set up. I keep hoping that the next release will work better, but it never does, since version 6.
 
What distro do you use? If you think hardware detection is an issue in Ubuntu, have you found it to be much better on another distro? I haven't.

I've used quite literally all of the major ones in the past few years, and Ubuntu, IMO, has edged out (or at least matched) most of them (Fedora, OpenSUSE, etc.)
 
It seems as if each release of Ubuntu is more bleeding-edge than the last.
That's not really possible. Ubuntu has always pulled its packages from Debian unstable; that's never changed. Also, it always uses the latest version of GNOME (they've always followed GNOME's release by about a month), the latest kernel, etc.

One of these days it's going to hemorrhage and die.

...And the world will be a better place. :vulcan:
If you dislike Ubuntu so much, maybe you should man up and use Debian like the rest of us.

^
You just defined Ubuntu in a nutshell.
This is the second time you made your distaste for Ubuntu clear without providing any rationale; isn't repeating yourself a form of spamming?

What distro do you use? If you think hardware detection is an issue in Ubuntu, have you found it to be much better on another distro? I haven't.

I've used quite literally all of the major ones in the past few years, and Ubuntu, IMO, has edged out (or at least matched) most of them (Fedora, OpenSUSE, etc.)
Conventional wisdom says that you are correct--no distro will be noticeably better at hardware support than Ubuntu, although sometimes distros from different lineages (like Fedora, which is RPM-based, and openSUSE, which is Slackware-derived) will support different subsets of hardware.
 
What distro do you use?

This one. As far as the detection goes, it isn't so much the kernel finding all the pieces of the pie (though I've never seen it better in any other distro.) it's that you can easily bake the pie from scratch with utter ease and throw anything in it without being told what to do.

The problem with Ubuntu is it's designed for the lowest common denominator. The problem with that is, it only works with the lowest common denominator. If you have some obscure piece of hardware or peripheral getting it to work right (and with some stability) can be a real buzz-kill.

One of my worst "hardware detection" nightmares happened last spring when someone fooled me into trying Hardy because it was "so much better then the last version." I was trying to install the drivers for my graphics card. It was an older Nvidia card, but old enough that the newest drivers work with it.

I first tried using the automated setup program Hardy came with that supposedly made installing the drivers simple. (I forget what the program is called.) The problem was, said program kept installing the legacy drivers which caused a whole world of problems errors, wrong refresh rates, etc.

So then I decided to just download them directly and install them. Well, first I figured I had to download and install the build-essentials package since it isn't installed by default. (And I think it should be.) I figured that's all I needed. So then I went ahead and rand the Nvidia setup program. Got an error saying it couldn't build the kernel. So I did some reading, and found a handful of more packages to download and install. So I went ahead and installed them and the setup ran fine and told it to auto configure xorg.conf.

I restarted X and all the fonts were really, really small. Unreadable even. So I figured I could just manually edit the monitor section of xorg.conf and it'd be fine. Sure enough everything seemed okay.

A few days later I got around to getting compiz up and running. Everything was haywire.

After double checking to make sure I'd set up xorg correctly I ran:

Code:
 glxinfo | grep direct
Got an error.

So I uninstalled the driver completely and tried it over again. To cut a long story short, if I left the fonts small, compiz worked fine. If I tried to fix them, it didn't. And after trying a dozen or so different things to get to work right, I just gave up.

With Slackware, I've never had this kind of problem. Over the years I've thrown everything (including the kitchen sink) at it and it's detected it fine and dead stable to boot.

If you dislike Ubuntu so much, maybe you should man up and use Debian like the rest of us.

I do. While 9 times out of 10 I prefer Slack, I do have them both on my laptop. If there is one complaint of Slackware I have is it doesn't come with GNOME. Yes, there's always building it from source and the third party builds, but I've never had much success with though. Not that it matters much though since I use Fluxbox 99% of the time.

In any case, I ask this very question of Ubuntu people all the time. At best, Ubuntu is a watered-down, overly flash version of Deb testing/non-stable. Yet, it comes pre-installed with most of the "problems" people have with Windows: poor security, instability, etc.

The ironic thing is, in a lot of ways I think Deb is easier to use, anyway. Plus, it's been my observation that Deb's repositories are more reliable.

You post here a lot for someone you completely hates Ubuntu and everything about it.

Well, it's my life's ambition to see to its utter eradication. :D
 
Installing it now on my R40. Replacing a well built install of Gutsy.

Report will be forthcomming...

Edit: So far so good. Video driver was an annoyance on the Gutsy build, this version works out of box. Bluetooth, same thing. Sending over wireless internet... Installing Open Office right now. So far so good. Tomorrow I'll do some media/music tests.

Took me about a half hour to adjust everything to my liking.
 
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At the risk of moderator ire here is my report:

Open Office is built in for once, which is nice. I downloaded a torrent overnight, no problems there... In case you must know it's a library of cad files from a friend.

Haven't had time to network with the other laptop, but it does talk to the printer with minimal fiddling. Gutsy didn't like my Lemarks before.

Well for a fresh install off the CD, Ibex is doing pretty good. I have no issues yet. Stay tuned.
 
Yep, several days in things are still looking very good.
I got my 3D drivers installed and now I get full 3D GFX performance.

J.
 
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