Two views of the plot
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I'm speculating here. If indeed the Guardian of Forever is being used, Ellison would be paid some kind of royalty because he created the character.
It would depend upon whether or not the WGA arbitrator considered the Guardian a character. If it's considered a concept, then no royalty for Ellison. 
Going back a year to the publication of Crucible: McCoy, Ellison seems to believe that he has rights to "City on the Edge of Forever" that don't exist. His rant on his website about it boiled down to the belief that when Paramount gave him permission to publish his original script in 1996, all rights reverted back to him. The thing is, Ellison knew full well that Paramount didn't have to give him permission (copyright of the script is assigned to the author per WGA guidelines), and while Ellison's script contains people called "The Guardian of Forever," Ellison's "Guardian" bears no resemblence to the Giant Talking Donut.
Going back a year to the publication of Crucible: McCoy, Ellison seems to believe that he has rights to "City on the Edge of Forever" that don't exist. His rant on his website about it boiled down to the belief that when Paramount gave him permission to publish his original script in 1996, all rights reverted back to him. The thing is, Ellison knew full well that Paramount didn't have to give him permission (copyright of the script is assigned to the author per WGA guidelines), and while Ellison's script contains people called "The Guardian of Forever," Ellison's "Guardian" bears no resemblence to the Giant Talking Donut.
My own, rubbish attempt at doing a predicto-quest is thus:
The fact that Bana is probably a Romulan, and the fact they are looking for 'odd looking' extras willing to have their eyebrows shaved into a 'Vulcan' shape (which they tried to hush up by saying 'sci-fi shape') means that I think it's going to be some sort of genetics/breeding thingy - perhaps how the Romulans evolved from the Vulcans. The extras may portray experiments gone wrong. Or something.
The fact that Bana is probably a Romulan, and the fact they are looking for 'odd looking' extras willing to have their eyebrows shaved into a 'Vulcan' shape (which they tried to hush up by saying 'sci-fi shape') means that I think it's going to be some sort of genetics/breeding thingy - perhaps how the Romulans evolved from the Vulcans. The extras may portray experiments gone wrong. Or something.
Allyn Gibson said:
It would depend upon whether or not the WGA arbitrator considered the Guardian a character. If it's considered a concept, then no royalty for Ellison.
Going back a year to the publication of Crucible: McCoy, Ellison seems to believe that he has rights to "City on the Edge of Forever" that don't exist. His rant on his website about it boiled down to the belief that when Paramount gave him permission to publish his original script in 1996, all rights reverted back to him. The thing is, Ellison knew full well that Paramount didn't have to give him permission (copyright of the script is assigned to the author per WGA guidelines), and while Ellison's script contains people called "The Guardian of Forever," Ellison's "Guardian" bears no resemblence to the Giant Talking Donut.
No, you didn't scroll through the entire thread, did you?
I didn't know I needed to. Considering that I was addressing the point about whether or not the Guardian of Forever is a "character" for WGA reasons.
Regarding the supposed plot, if that's what you're referring to, that sounds like it has more in common with "Yesterday's Enterprise" than with "City on the Edge." Or more in common with Star Trek: First Contact, for that matter. Or Gene Roddenberry's "Spock kills JFK" script for Star Trek II.
Regarding the supposed plot, if that's what you're referring to, that sounds like it has more in common with "Yesterday's Enterprise" than with "City on the Edge." Or more in common with Star Trek: First Contact, for that matter. Or Gene Roddenberry's "Spock kills JFK" script for Star Trek II.
That thought had crossed my mind, based on what I've read about GR's proposed story idea for the second film. If fact, there's far more resemblance to the JFK story than 'City', unless of course, the Guardian is indeed being utilized.
Gotta admit though, it would be great to see the Guardian done in modern FX and on the big screen.
It's pretty certain that there's a time-traveling element to the storyline. That's how Old Spock gets involved - no one involved with the movie or any information that's leaked has in any way diminished that rumor and a few threads of info (like Quinto saying of Old/Young Spock "there's definitely a sense of guidance" - this distinct from his remarks about working with Nimoy) that reinforce it.
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