Two guys arguing over Trek 11, and beer.

[Captain Mike]

Sigh...

Kirk became captain of the Enterprise in STXI age 25. In TOS, we meet Kirk as captain of the Enterprise, but never learn when he attained that rank.

The novel Enterprise: The First Adventure says that Kirk (Prime) became Enterprise captain age 28 - so they bumped it up by all of three years.

Orion isn't in the Federation, but nor are Kronos or Ferenginar, and Worf and Nog are happily in Starfleet. Are TNG and DS9 wrong, too? No. Starfleet has an open-door policy.

In countless TOS episodes, Kirk states how many crew he has under his command.

Does he say that his Enterprise is the largest, most populous Federation starship? Does he ever comment on the crew complement or size of starships from twenty-five years prior?
It's like watching Voyager and then insisting that there were no ships bigger or more heavily crewed than Janeway's in the 24th century just because you never saw TNG.

And that is what I like to hear...
You people that defend the film against us posters that don't, always bring up "That we are giving our opinion on such a notion as a "fanboy wank" to defend our position". It's nice to see that you do the same thing in trying to defend the plots of it...

EDIT: I'll have to find my copy and reread it since it has been a few years since. Even if so , are you stating that Kirk was well into his second 5- year mission by the time that "The Deadly Years" aired??

 

[F. King Daniel]

always bring up "That we are giving our opinion on such a notion as a "fanboy wank" to defend our position"

What are you on about?

 

[Set Harth]

Even if so , are you stating that Kirk was well into his second 5- year mission by the time that "The Deadly Years" aired??

What I want to know is, if Kirk had two 5-year missions, why does TMP imply there was only one 5-year mission?

 

[Captain Mike]

What are you on about?

I am on about MOST of you people that love this film stating that most of the complaing is due to "fanboy" nitpicking. I was involved with you about a year ago and haven't found the correct thread yet so give me a little time on finding it...

Even if so , are you stating that Kirk was well into his second 5- year mission by the time that "The Deadly Years" aired??

What I want to know is, if Kirk had two 5-year missions, why does TMP imply there was only one 5-year mission?

Kirk became captain of the Enterprise in STXI age 25. In TOS, we meet Kirk as captain of the Enterprise, but never learn when he attained that rank.

The novel Enterprise: The First Adventure says that Kirk (Prime) became Enterprise captain age 28 - so they bumped it up by all of three years.?

If he took control of the Enterprise at the age of 28 in Ent:TFA , He would have surpassed the age he stated in "The Deadly Years" of being 34 at the time by at least a year. So in technical terms, if he took command of the Enterprise at the age of 28 and begun the five year mission They would have been in the second one by the third season...

 

[Dukhat]

What are you on about?

I am on about MOST of you people that love this film stating that most of the complaing is due to "fanboy" nitpicking.

Well, that's what the OP's friend is doing: fanboyishly nitpicking the film to death. I mean, really: 55 points? I can't think of 55 things wrong with the entire four seasons of Enterprise, and I hate that show. Whether the people in this thread responding to his "points" liked the film or hated it is irrelevant: It's been shown that most of his rants are baseless.

 

[Captain Mike]

What are you on about?

I am on about MOST of you people that love this film stating that most of the complaing is due to "fanboy" nitpicking.

Well, that's what the OP's friend is doing: fanboyishly nitpicking the film to death. I mean, really: 55 points? I can't think of 55 things wrong with the entire four seasons of Enterprise, and I hate that show. Whether the people in this thread responding to his "points" liked the film or hated it is irrelevant: It's been shown that most of his rants are baseless.

Baseless how?...By your own likes and dislikes? I came up with at least most of that in the first hour alone. Again that is IMO. But isn't so great that we all have our own opinions?...

 

[F. King Daniel]

There's a huge difference between not liking a film because you dislike the story, characters, artistic direction, directorial style etc. and disliking it because it conflicts with unsubstantiated preconcieved notions about how heavily crewed ships 25 years before TOS were, or how you think Romulans should talk or act, or because you think Orions shouldn't be in Starfleet, or whatever.

To use an example from the OP's link:

"I don't like how the Romulans were portrayed, I think they should all act and speak like we saw in TNG" is an opinion. I think it's silly and closed-minded to see the Romulan Empire as a monoculture, but whatever.

"The Romulans are all wrong because they should speak formally" is nonsense. The makers of the film knew how Romulans were written and played before, but they chose to go in a different direction. It's not a mistake.

Hal didn't like the direction the film took the Romulans, but he tried to dress up his opinion, and his own notions about Trek's universe, as fact.

 

[Captain Mike]

There's a huge difference between not liking a film because you dislike the story, characters, artistic direction, directorial style etc. and disliking it because it conflicts with unsubstantiated preconcieved notions about how heavily crewed ships 25 years before TOS were, or how you think Romulans should talk or act, or because you think Orions shouldn't be in Starfleet, or whatever.

To use an example from the OP's link:

"I don't like how the Romulans were portrayed, I think they should all act and speak like we saw in TNG" is an opinion. I think it's silly and closed-minded to see the Romulan Empire as a monoculture, but whatever.

"The Romulans are all wrong because they should speak formally" is nonsense. The makers of the film knew how Romulans were written and played before, but they chose to go in a different direction. It's not a mistake.

Hal didn't like the direction the film took the Romulans, but he tried to dress up his opinion, and his own notions about Trek's universe, as fact.

BUT as I stated earlier, ever since "Balance Of Terror" Romulans are "duplicative" in nature. Hence their development of the cloaking device, in BOTH their appearrances in TOS. All through TNG & DS9 you see the same thing.

 

[BillJ]

Sigh...

Kirk became captain of the Enterprise in STXI age 25. In TOS, we meet Kirk as captain of the Enterprise, but never learn when he attained that rank.

The novel Enterprise: The First Adventure says that Kirk (Prime) became Enterprise captain age 28 - so they bumped it up by all of three years.

To be fair... Prime timeline Kirk served in Starfleet from his graduation until he took command of the Enterprise. Giving him between six and ten years of learning the who, what, when, where, why and how of starship operations and command... not the six hours that Abramsverse Kirk served before getting command.

So while this Kirk may only be three years younger, he lacks far more than that in experience.

 

[indranee]

Soooo... when ARE we gonna hear something substantial about Trek 11?

 

[Dukhat]

Baseless how?...By your own likes and dislikes?

Uh, no. Obviously not, because I never replied to his points. I read them, but didn't bother replying myself because a) I have better things to do with my time, and b) a bunch of other posters in this thread did it for me, and they all pretty much debunked most of what he was ranting about.

I came up with at least most of that in the first hour alone.

And like the OP's friend, I'm sorry you couldn't enjoy the movie for what it was, and felt the need to endlessly nitpick it to death.

Again that is IMO. But isn't so great that we all have our own opinions?...

Well, you know what they say about opinions, don't you?

 

[Captain Mike]

Baseless how?...By your own likes and dislikes?

Uh, no. Obviously not, because I never replied to his points. I read them, but didn't bother replying myself because a) I have better things to do with my time, and b) a bunch of other posters in this thread did it for me, and they all pretty much debunked most of what he was ranting about.

I came up with at least most of that in the first hour alone.

And like the OP's friend, I'm sorry you couldn't enjoy the movie for what it was, and felt the need to endlessly nitpick it to death.

Again that is IMO. But isn't so great that we all have our own opinions?...

Well, you know what they say about opinions, don't you?

And that MUST include yours then.....

 

[T'Girl]

Aren't aural and oral homophones, and therefore pronounced the same, so how can one decide from listening except by context?

Different to my ear, to be honest I speak English with a Pacific Northwest accent.
So I pronounce the two words Oh Roll and Ore Rall. Your mileage may vary.

 

[Dukhat]

And that MUST include yours then.....

I didn't have an opinion, remember? I didn't read what the dude wrote. I only read the responses, and they pretty much speak for themselves.

 

[Captain Mike]

And that MUST include yours then.....

I didn't have an opinion, remember? I didn't read what the dude wrote. I only read the responses, and they pretty much speak for themselves.

Obviously opinionated to respond to my posts....

 

[Dukhat]

And that MUST include yours then.....

I didn't have an opinion, remember? I didn't read what the dude wrote. I only read the responses, and they pretty much speak for themselves.

Obviously opinionated to respond to my posts....

Oh please. Don't flatter yourself.

And I've had about enough of this childishness. Feel free to respond, but I'm done with you.

 

[nightwind1]

Obviously, Captain Mike is a sock-puppet of James Dixon, returning from exile...

 

[M'Sharak]

Obviously, Captain Mike is a sock-puppet of James Dixon, returning from exile...

Let's steer clear of insinuations of sock-puppetude, shall we, though? Even in jest, those tend not always to be taken well.

 

[indranee]

When are you guys gonna stop fighting and tell me some Real News?!?!?!

 

[number6]

When are you guys gonna stop fighting and tell me some Real News?!?!?!

You're assuming that these guys actually know something about Star Trek.. It's obvious they don't.