That's why the Klingons evolved purple blood -- if it were red, they could hurt themselves badly and not know it.
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That's why the Klingons evolved purple blood -- if it were red, they could hurt themselves badly and not know it.
Oh, it was unsuitable alright.
I wonder though, 3 months by Earth or Vulcan reckoning?
There isn't much precedent to Kirk ever using local units, though.
And if Vulcan doesn't have a moon, the Vulcan month probably isn't easily observable (although that's not to say that an Earth month would somehow be obvious to the layman) and wouldn't affect Kirk's life much. Unless Vulcans organize their public holidays around it or something. Or unless Vulcan months manifest as seismic upheavals as Vulcan, the moon, passes close to the planet it circles...
A long exile is a dramatically supportable choice in that it gives Spock more time to recover from having his hard drive formatted. Also, it helps out with the usual serialized fiction problem of frequent and patterned occurrences of adventures: even though it still is a big coincidence that the Whale Probe Crisis strikes just as Kirk is in a position to do something about it, then at least it doesn't happen at the very moment Kirk gets over the Genesis Crisis.
The Genesis Crisis in ST2 and ST3 was a nice package where new twists and turns inevitably followed the initial trigger, the arrival of the Reliant at Ceti Alpha. But the timing of this arrival would be the "adventure of the week" random event that the writers would do well to separate from the next "adventure of the week" random event, the arrival of the Whale Probe, by a suitably long yet suitably random time interval...
Timo Saloniemi
And if Vulcan doesn't have a moon, the Vulcan month probably isn't easily observable (although that's not to say that an Earth month would somehow be obvious to the layman) and wouldn't affect Kirk's life much. Unless Vulcans organize their public holidays around it or something. Or unless Vulcan months manifest as seismic upheavals as Vulcan, the moon, passes close to the planet it circles...
A long exile is a dramatically supportable choice in that it gives Spock more time to recover from having his hard drive formatted. Also, it helps out with the usual serialized fiction problem of frequent and patterned occurrences of adventures: even though it still is a big coincidence that the Whale Probe Crisis strikes just as Kirk is in a position to do something about it, then at least it doesn't happen at the very moment Kirk gets over the Genesis Crisis.
The Genesis Crisis in ST2 and ST3 was a nice package where new twists and turns inevitably followed the initial trigger, the arrival of the Reliant at Ceti Alpha. But the timing of this arrival would be the "adventure of the week" random event that the writers would do well to separate from the next "adventure of the week" random event, the arrival of the Whale Probe, by a suitably long yet suitably random time interval...
Timo Saloniemi
That came up earlier in the thread. Like I said then, Kirk was recording the log entry, so presumably he meant Earth months.
A month was originally a cycle of the moon (as it still is on the Hebrew calendar). If Vulcan doesn’t have a moon, the Vulcan calendar wouldn’t have months at all — unless they decided to divide their solar year arbitrarily into “months” after making contact with civilizations on other planets.
“Hey, that planet has a moon, and the inhabitants use its orbit to measure time. We don’t have a moon, but we could do the same thing because it‘s cool!”
...Assuming that there are four seasons. The number of seasons isn't necessarily four, or even an even number; in monsoon regions, three is the norm, and the higher latitudes tend to have more than four distinct seasons as far as flora, fauna and weather are concerned.
We know for a fact that Vulcan has months: Spock specifies "the month of Tasmeen" in TAS "Yesteryear". What we don't know is the length and definition of a Vulcan month - whether it's shorter or longer than a Vulcan year.
Theoretically, Spock might also have been referring to Earth months for the lack of comparable Vulcan units, and essentially saying "February, the month when tasmeen is flowering on Vulcan highlands", or "August, the month when Tasmeen is celebrated on Vulcan", or "October, the month we get the awful tasmeens that can level entire towns".
Timo Saloniemi
We know for a fact that Vulcan has months: Spock specifies "the month of Tasmeen" in TAS "Yesteryear". What we don't know is the length and definition of a Vulcan month - whether it's shorter or longer than a Vulcan year.
Theoretically, Spock might also have been referring to Earth months for the lack of comparable Vulcan units, and essentially saying "February, the month when tasmeen is flowering on Vulcan highlands", or "August, the month when Tasmeen is celebrated on Vulcan", or "October, the month we get the awful tasmeens that can level entire towns".
Timo Saloniemi
Agreed. A federation implies a collection of autonomous states who have agreed, in principle, to a federal entity. However, legally and in practice one of the states might not always agree to a dictate from the federal government. Or, like you said, the federal government might not seek to enforce its dictates on a particular state for various reasons.
In this case, although the Federation Council sought Kirk and Co. (were they every actually indicted for a crime, or was it more akin to a grand jury or even just a hearing?), they were probably loath to have Vulcan's refusal made public if they specifically asked Vulcan to return our heroes.
Doug
Plus, it might have been a nice way to deflect the Klingon calls for extraditing the criminals. "We don't know where they are, not exactly, although there are some rumors about somebody having mentioned Vulcan in this connection. We have approached the local authorities, and are expecting a response any year now."
Timo Saloniemi
Timo Saloniemi
Maybe Chekov wouldn't have minded wearing pink, but it's more likely that Walter Koenig preferred something a bit more... masculine.
(besides, can't you just see the interrogation scene take a wildly divergent tack if the supposed "spy" were wearing a cute little pink outfit with a cute little collar?)
This made perfect sense for the show, because after all, nobody was expecting to be gone longer than 3 hours. So why would anybody except eccentric millionaires and vain movie starlets pack anything more than they'd need for an average afternoon of shopping/sightseeing?
I think I have it solved. They have sonic showers in the 23rd century. So whenever our heroes felt a bit grubby or their clothes started smelling a bit ripe, they just stepped into a sonic shower, clothes and all... and BEEP! in a few seconds, they'd have been perfectly clean.
(very handy appliances; wish I had one of those!)
Actually, Ginger started out limited to just the dress she was originally wearing and then another dress made from an SS Minnow blanket or tarp or something. But there was an episode or two where crates of clothing washed up on the island, so her wardrobe became more diverse.
Klingons aren't known for their love of bathing. Sure, if you're on Earth or a Starfleet vessel, you can hop into a sonic shower anytime you like, but if you're a prisoner of war in the bowels of the Klingon penal system? I wouldn't bet on it.
And we have canonical proof that sonic showering is done without clothes on -- see the end of Voyager: "Juggernaut." And that makes sense, because sonic showers aren't magic. If you did it with your clothes on, the surface of your clothes would be cleaned, but what about underneath?
With respect to the "rudder" line, I was just flipping through David Alexander's bio of GR. On page 542, he references a meeting with GR and N. Meyer about certain story points. "...Meyer had made a reference in the script to a very nineteenth century nautical thing, like, 'right standard rudder.' Gene was saying, 'Starships don't ahve rudders! We need to think of a more appropriate term.'"
Another point that I hadn't referenced before was the Nixon comment. Apparently, GR had an issue as well: "There were a few things that ultimately stayed in. Gene objected to the reference of Klingons (I assume he meant Vulcans) saying 'As the Americans would say, 'Only Nixon would go to China!' Gene thought that was the most ridculous thing he'd ever heard."
In TNG's "The Naked Now" Riker seems somewhat surprised by the concept of someone "showering with their clothes on" after investigating the problems on the starfleet ship infected with the Psi MM intoxication/"virus." He finds this so remarkable and rare he actually seeks out through the computer where he has heard of this before and comes across the Enterprise's experience with the Psi MM condition.
This has always bugged me in TVH. When Saavik says:
SAAVIK: Sir. I have not had the opportunity to tell you about your son. David died most bravely. He saved Spock. He saved us all. I thought you should know.
When in the prior film we saw this exchange:
KIRK: What happened?
SAAVIK: He gave his life to save us.
SAAVIK: Sir. I have not had the opportunity to tell you about your son. David died most bravely. He saved Spock. He saved us all. I thought you should know.
When in the prior film we saw this exchange:
KIRK: What happened?
SAAVIK: He gave his life to save us.
This has always bugged me in TVH. When Saavik says:
SAAVIK: Sir. I have not had the opportunity to tell you about your son. David died most bravely. He saved Spock. He saved us all. I thought you should know.
When in the prior film we saw this exchange:
KIRK: What happened?
SAAVIK: He gave his life to save us.
Maybe Kirk and the crew were isolating themselves from her due to the fact of not wanting to damage her career any further? Hence that Jim never had that total explanation of how brave David truly was and Saavik finally had a chance to tell him.
As for the clothes it never bothered me one bit....Maybe Chekov had a change because he was the only one that wanted a new outfit??
Another example of no new outfits was:
SCOTTY: "Oh, I also changed the Klingon foodpacks! They were giving me a sour stomach."
KIRK: "Oh? Is that what that was?"
Maybe Jim was suggesting he had BO among with that?...
Och, it was a bloody fart joke.
There's probably a deleted scene with the crew sitting around in their borrowed Vulcan gowns, when Kirk walks in and says "Gentlemen, put your pants back on and meet me at the Bounty!"
