TVH - Clothing question

[balls]

In any of the novels or any place else, do they ever address why the crew still has the same clothing on from TSFS? It seems a bit odd that they've been there for 3 months and are wearing the same clothes. No "Men's Wearhouse" on Vulcan? I could understand if the events in TVH took place immediately after TSFS, but it's 3 months! Even Spock appears to be wearing the same robe from the last movie. They can't give him something for the ride back to earth?

I love watching 2-4 as a trilogy, back to back. I guess after seeing so many times I start to see things and nitpick instead of just enjoying.

 

[Elder Knight]

They probably wore those Vulcan robes for the duration, then put their (laundered) pants back on before going home. I would have.

 

[Admiral James Kirk]

I think Spock's big robe looked comfortable. Put me in one of those and I probably wouldn't change clothes for three months either.

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

The more pertinent question IMO is why did the Federation council, knowing Kirk and crew are all due courts martial AND that they're in possession of a sensitive enemy starship with a cloaking device and everything, LEFT them on Vulcan for three months! It's not like it's far away or don't have an extradition treaty or whatever. Sure, Spock's convalescing, but they could have easily left him there, sent ANY ship or shuttle to come and grab them, send whole team of Starfleet intelligence bozos to scour the Klingon ship, and be done with it.

Mark

 

[Admiral James Kirk]

I assume they claimed sanctuary and the Vulcan ambassador granted it.

 

[balls]

I assume they claimed sanctuary and the Vulcan ambassador granted it.

IIRC, the novelization of TSFS has Uhura being chased by Federation Security and making it to the Vulcan Embassy. I think she requested sanctuary or aslyum. I don't remember if they addressed how she got to Vulcan. It's been awhile since I've read the book so I might be wrong.

 

[Christopher]

There are a lot of things in the movie that don't seem to fit the three-month timeframe. They're wearing the same clothes, they haven't been extradited yet, Saavik hasn't talked to Kirk about David yet, and the Klingon ambassador waited this long to speak to the Federation Council about Genesis. But the only reference to a three-month exile is in Kirk's log-entry voiceover near the start of the film. It makes me wonder if that was an afterthought added late in the process, without its ramifications really being taken into consideration. It is in the revised shooting script, though, so it wouldn't have been something they added in postproduction.

 

[balls]

Interesting that Scotty's rank pin is back to a commander, though he had the captain's pin at the end of TSFS. So, maybe he held onto his commander's rank pin and changed his rank on his own, yet kept the same clothes.

 

[FormerLurker]

Well, Chekov's actually wearing a different outfit. They thought wearing leather in San Francisco would be less conspicuous than the pink outfit he had on is SFS.

 

[Broccoli]

Well, Chekov's actually wearing a different outfit. They thought wearing leather in San Francisco would be less conspicuous than the pink outfit he had on is SFS.

I dunno. Somehow I feel no one would have blinked twice if Chekov wore a pink outfit in San Francisco.

 

[Maurice]

No one pays much attention to ANY outfit here in San Francisco.

 

[SchwEnt]

Right. Everything else seems to indicate that it's only been a little while since TSFS, but then there's the one line about "three months". I don't know why that had to be said. Just leave it out, and then it all seems to be maybe two weeks after TSFS, no problem.

 

[Christopher]

^Of course, the actual line was "in the third month of our Vulcan exile," which could be as little as two months and a day (i.e. it's just the start of their third month).

 

[KarmicCurse]

What's always bothered me more is that Kirk and McCoy were still in uniform (with Spock's locator patch conveniently in place) during arrest, trial, and exile in TUC.

 

[Christopher]

What's always bothered me more is that Kirk and McCoy were still in uniform (with Spock's locator patch conveniently in place) during arrest, trial, and exile in TUC.

Yeah, me too. Don't the Klingons search their captives? I mean, they're known for concealing weapons in their uniforms, so divesting prisoners of their clothing should be standard practice. And if that patch emits a strong enough signature to be detected from parsecs away, wouldn't the Klingons have been able to detect it too?

 

[balls]

What's always bothered me more is that Kirk and McCoy were still in uniform (with Spock's locator patch conveniently in place) during arrest, trial, and exile in TUC.

Yeah, me too. Don't the Klingons search their captives? I mean, they're known for concealing weapons in their uniforms, so divesting prisoners of their clothing should be standard practice. And if that patch emits a strong enough signature to be detected from parsecs away, wouldn't the Klingons have been able to detect it too?

I'm not a fan of TUC because of story points like that one. That, and books on the bridge, phasers in the galley and starships with rudders. But I think I'm in the minority.

 

[Christopher]

^Oh, I agree, somewhat -- I'm not a fan of Nicholas Meyer's aggressively anti-futuristic portrayal of the 23rd century or of the forced humor in TUC. There's a lot of good stuff in the movie, but there's a lot that's deserving of criticism too. But then, there's plenty of stuff in most every Trek movie that falls apart on analysis.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I assume they claimed sanctuary and the Vulcan ambassador granted it.

IIRC, the novelization of TSFS has Uhura being chased by Federation Security and making it to the Vulcan Embassy. I think she requested sanctuary or aslyum. I don't remember if they addressed how she got to Vulcan. It's been awhile since I've read the book so I might be wrong.

Why does the Federation have embassies to its own members?

 

[arch101]

All Trek productions are notorious for their limited wardrobe. A non-fan watched a few shows with me once and said "how come they never change their clothes?"
Only TMP stands out for it's wardrobe changes which actually help the dramatic presentation as it would in a non-Trek production. Let's face it, it's dull and silly when characters go through an entire production in the same exact clothes. The one exception: Cary Grant in North By Northwest. That Kilgour suit must be made out of the same stuff they make Black Boxes from.

 

[Elder Knight]

What's always bothered me more is that Kirk and McCoy were still in uniform (with Spock's locator patch conveniently in place) during arrest, trial, and exile in TUC.

Yeah, me too. Don't the Klingons search their captives? I mean, they're known for concealing weapons in their uniforms, so divesting prisoners of their clothing should be standard practice. And if that patch emits a strong enough signature to be detected from parsecs away, wouldn't the Klingons have been able to detect it too?

Can't recall where I read it, but someone explained that said patch was of a color that Klingon eyes couldn't detect. Maybe that was mentioned in some version of the script.

As Vulcan has no moon, who knows how long "three months" might be.