Tuvok and Spock

[Refuge]

Do you think Tuvok would have looked down on Spock for being half human? Take away the mythology we feel for Spock and just look at him as a diluted Vulcan. Factor in that Tuvok nearly went mad in the end because of a Vulcan weakness.. However Spock was not a full Vulcan and once you know a full Vulcan anything else seems.. less.

I'm thinking Spock was overrated. He was almost Vulcan. Not good enough.

 

[Prax]

Tuvok is a hundred years old and a grandfather. Spock was supposed to be relatively young during the series. But no, Tuvok admired Spock. He says so. And to look down on him would be an emotion.

 

[Refuge]

I always got the feeling that Vulcans did judge. That they wanted a standard of Vulcan behavior met. Tuvok was lucky in that he was around in the Excelsior days and there was a definite shout out to those of that time, admiration and mythology. However I think once you see Tuvok as a Vulcan Spock seems weaker or rather more human.

 

[Herbert]

However I think once you see Tuvok as a Vulcan Spock seems weaker or rather more human.

Ironically, it's those human qualities that Spock possesses that makes him far more likable than Tuvok could ever be.
My issue with Tuvok is that he's a little too Vulcan. Perhaps as a result of his emotional struggles as an adolescent. For a Vulcan who is close to one hundred years old and who has served with humans for a long time, he seems to lack those insights that Spock had.

 

[Paradise City]

I don't think so. I think Tuvok would respect Spock. Particularly as Spock has mastered his human side.

Tuvok holds Janeway in high esteem afterall. It's the insular Vulcans who are detached from other species you'd wanna watch. Of course it is by no means unknown for Spock himself to let off a cutting jibe....finding any suggestion of human characteristics within himself to be "insulting".

 

[Nyotarules]

Vulcans are not immune from prejudice, consider T'Pau in Amok time and Awakening episodes. Surak's katra was more enlightened than his followers.

To look down on someone for a biological trait that they are not responsible for would be illogical.

Spock learned to embrace his humanity after TMP, my guess is he decided to stop trying to please his hypocritical father, Sarek.

Tuvok had great respect for Janeway, if he thought non Vulcans were 'less than' he would never had made a convincing recruit for the Maquis cause or worked beside her for all those years. He only learned that lesson when he became a father and rejoined Starfleet, before that he was probably an insufferable prig.

 

[Six of Twelve]

Do Vulcans not accept the idea that different people have different personalities; that everybody isn't meant to be exactly the same?

 

[Prax]

This isn't really related to the question, but I have a neat observation:

Both Spock and Tuvok have a pretty dry sense of humor. So dry, that it's hard to pick up on when first watching either show, but the more you see them, the more you catch their constant sarcasm. I am still finding Spock and Tuvok humor watching them now.

 

[BillJ]

Spock, like Worf (with the Klingons), tried to be an ideal Vulcan. He was probably more "Vulcan" (the idealized version) than any other we saw. Heck, look at Captain Solok from "Take Me Out to the Holosuite".

 

[Tracy Trek]

Do Vulcans not accept the idea that different people have different personalities; that everybody isn't meant to be exactly the same?

They say they do. But they still have children and even adults who look down on other species. I thought it was interesting that in Enterprise that Soval told Admiral Forest that they didn't know how to classify humans. That they reminded them too much of themselves.

Spock, like Worf (with the Klingons), tried to be an ideal Vulcan. He was probably more "Vulcan" (the idealized version) than any other we saw.

I've thought the same thing about Spock and about Worf.

 

[Voth commando1]

Well Tuvok and Spock were contemporaries but I don't think they knew each other. Personally I don't think Tuvok would have looked down on him. He may have even been astounded by the fact Spock could handle human irrationality far better than he could.

 

[Refuge]

I just got the impression that being full Vulcan gave Tuvok the edge. Not really at first as being on the Excelsior showed. Co-existing with humans required Tuvok to get away from them, lol. However he came back in his own time and taught for the Federation. The types of personal struggles Tuvok had were not of the nature of Spocks. Spock had these crises of identity. Was he Vulcan enough? I disagree with those who say that Vulcans would not look down upon another for a biological trait. It is part of Spocks backstory that to quote from our friend Wikipedia "On his homeworld, he was repeatedly bullied and tormented by full-blooded Vulcan children, who wished to incite the emotions of his human nature."

Spock possibly did try to become an idealized Vulcan but there's a certain amount of role playing when you do that. Tuvok had to discipline himself too but he didn't fight the same demons Spock did. Tuvok's ascendancy to his heritage came naturally.

 

[LJones41]

He may have even been astounded by the fact Spock could handle human irrationality far better than he could.

I rather doubt it, especially if he knew the truth about Spock's background.

 

[Voth commando1]

I rather doubt it, especially if he knew the truth about Spock's background.

I'm referring to his colleagues-Spcon dealt with human behavior in a much easier manner than Tuvok.

 

[Spot261]

Do Vulcans not accept the idea that different people have different personalities; that everybody isn't meant to be exactly the same?

Yeah, IDIC in principle and Vulcan attitudes in practise don't often seem to mesh all that well.

 

[marlboro]

It seems that Vulcans are only interesting when they are struggling with emotions or "act human." It would have been neat to see episodes that show why logical, nonemotional Vulcans are interesting; really explore their culture.

 

[Voth commando1]

Voyager and Enterprise tried to do that.