TTN: Fallen Gods by Michael A. Martin Review Thread (Spoilers!)

Discussion in 'Trek Literature' started by Sho, Jul 21, 2012.


Rate Fallen Gods.

  1. Outstanding

    2 vote(s)
  2. Above Average

    15 vote(s)
  3. Average

    40 vote(s)
  4. Below Average

    23 vote(s)
  5. Poor

    11 vote(s)
  1. Paris

    Paris Commodore Commodore

    Dec 29, 2008
    In the future's past
  2. Deranged Nasat

    Deranged Nasat Vice Admiral Admiral

    Mine just arrived; I'll be starting it as soon as I complete this post. :)
  3. zarkon

    zarkon Captain Captain

    Mar 24, 2011
    I'd drink to that
  4. Mage

    Mage Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Jun 17, 2007
    As would I!!!
  5. DS9forever

    DS9forever Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Oct 3, 2007
    I'd love to see Riker team up with Sisko someday.
  6. JWolf

    JWolf Commodore Commodore

    Oct 9, 2005
    Massachusetts, USA
    For Mad Magazine.
  7. JWolf

    JWolf Commodore Commodore

    Oct 9, 2005
    Massachusetts, USA
    But the cover for Fallen Gods is actually rather awful. The picture of Riker is just bland, the ship is not very well shown and the colors look hideous.
  8. WarsTrek1993

    WarsTrek1993 Captain Captain

    Nov 18, 2011
    The Final Frontier, TX
    I'll triple-drink to that! KRAD hasn't wrote a ST book in a LONG time.
  9. Daddy Todd

    Daddy Todd Fleet Captain Premium Member

    Oct 13, 2004
    It seriously is. Unbelievably ugly. I understand having to make some compromises for budget constraints, but, DAMN!
  10. MatthiasRussell

    MatthiasRussell Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    May 3, 2011
    ^Well, at least they replaced the picture of the Ent-E with one of the Titan.

    Secondly, there are 3 reader reviews for Fallen Gods currently at All 3 give it a 3/5 rating and none of them seem too satisfied with the read.
    Last edited: Aug 2, 2012
  11. John Clark

    John Clark Commodore Commodore

    Jul 4, 2008
    Almost finished and it's strictly average for me. There are parts I enjoyed, but other parts just felt a bit dull:(
  12. Enterprise is Great

    Enterprise is Great Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Oct 24, 2004
    Sounds like the typical Martin novel.
  13. TerraUnam

    TerraUnam Commander Red Shirt

    Feb 6, 2010
    United Earth
    It was average. I wanted some more explanations of some characters, but such was not to be. I don't expect Michael Martin to be surpassingly brilliant, so it was a good outing for him. With David Mack, Chris Bennett or Kirsten Beyer, I have higher expectations.
  14. JWolf

    JWolf Commodore Commodore

    Oct 9, 2005
    Massachusetts, USA
    I'm not yet done with chapter one and I'm already finding it highly annoying. All those names with atrophies. Why can't we have easier to read names? Do Star Trek alien names and place names have to be long, complicated and have apostrophes?

    No, they do not. So stop making them such. It just annoys the reader.

    Unless this gets better, based on chapter one, I'd call it poor.
  15. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

    Mar 15, 2001
    Lots of human personal and place names are long, complicated, and have apostrophes. Why should alien names be any different?
  16. Sho

    Sho Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Sep 8, 2006
    Berlin, Germany
    Personally, I don't mind or even like to work a little for my alieness, and - keeping in mind I still haven't read any of them - it sort of fits my idea of what Titan is supposed to be.

    And I love things like the clever way to typeset telepathic dialogues in Bester's The Demolished Man ...
  17. Clem1029

    Clem1029 Ensign Red Shirt

    Jun 25, 2008
    Finished the book in short order...mixed feelings on this one...

    Before I get into it, for the record, I was among the many disappointed with Seize the Fire. My initial reaction was extreme disappointment, which was tempered after a second reading a few months later. But tempering "that sucked" is a slight improvement.

    For what it's worth, the concept behind this version of Titan's "Alien of the week" had a LOT of potential...the science implications with the pulsar, radiation, how life on the planet evolved, and how that impacted local space...there's a lot of potential there. I'm not sure the full potential is realized...I don't necessarily associate Martin with "high science" sci-fi. Whether it's fair or not, I tend to associate his writing with political/military/conflict plots, and that ends up being reflected here. We are posted a conflict that is interesting based on the science implications, but devolves into a pretty typical "here's the destructive baddy" type of story. I'm not the only one that thought twisting the plot to say the Destructicons were right and the Autobots were wrong...wait, I mean, Destructionists were right in that the technology was creating the problems with the pulsar, etc? THAT would have provided a much more intriguing moral choice than what we're left with in the end.

    Also, I will completely echo what someone else said...Titan is way too damn somber. There's an "end of the world" scenario in every book, and it's getting a little stale. At the risk of sounding a little cynical, is every Titan outline supposed to be "pose an interesting science anomaly. put a civilization in some sort of serious risk because Titan observed or was in the area of the anomaly. Have a series of incredibly angsty Prime Driective discussions that always end in some sort of loophole. Provide the opportunity for some sort of relatively heroic happy ending."

    OK, I know that's a bit unfair as there has been some quality in the Titan series, but I'm worrying that the series is losing some of the joy it was supposed to contain. The idea of exploration or the sake of exploration, the interesting diversity all seems a distant second place to the "alien of the week" setup.

    Anyways, beyond the science/political plot of the week, there's the Typhon Pact side of the plot. At that, I can pretty much only say WTF? The Tholians are either talking in the ear of rouge Andorians and/or mentally manipulating them? And to solve the population process, they're simply going to transporter-duplicate Andorians that don't want to repatriate and kidnap them? And this makes sense as a plot development? Wait...WHAT?

    I'm sorry, but I just don't get it. I understand "desperate times/measures" and such. But this just doesn't seem believable. How is there any expectation of cooperation from the duplicates? Sure the technology is feasible, but how is it personally feasible? Plus, how is there ZERO leak of this by the time of Plauges of Night/Raise the Dawn (speaking of, how far out of sync is the "alpha quadrant timeline" and Titan now? It seems like it should be a few years separation. Is it just me or are we slowly returning to the pre-Destiny/Typhon Pact setup of differentiating timelines for each series?)

    So final verdict - meh. Interesting science and cultural implications for the alien of the week, but missing the potential. And the Federation/Typhon Pact developments are incredulous at best, utterly nonsensical at worst.
  18. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

    Mar 15, 2001
    Seize the Fire, the last TTN novel, was roughly simultaneous with Zero Sum Game, in August 2382. And this one clearly takes place sometime after Paths of Disharmony, which was mostly in October '82. Raise the Dawn ends in late September or early October '83, not counting the epilogue which is about a year later.

    And we already returned to differentiated timelines after Destiny ended several years ago. The post-DES novels took place at various different times and were published out of chronological order, and ditto for the first four Typhon Pact novels. Voyager has been proceeding at its own pace the whole time without any jumps forward to accommodate any of the Pact material. My DTI books have both been set a little earlier than the other 24th-century books coming out close to them. It's true that the Pact material has led to some big jumps forward in the TNG, DS9, and TTN chronologies, but it's hardly as if the series have been marching in lockstep.
  19. Julio Angel Ortiz

    Julio Angel Ortiz Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Nov 6, 2004
    Pennsylvania, USA
    I'm about 60% through this one, and I'm finding it to be an improvement over Seize the Fire. But one minor nitpick come to mind...

    They talk about the Gum Nebula, which was the region they entered way back in Orion's Hounds and appeared to stay through until Destiny. But then I thought Over a Torrent Sea sent them off to a different region of space, yet here we are back in the Gum Nebula? Or am I missing something?
  20. JWolf

    JWolf Commodore Commodore

    Oct 9, 2005
    Massachusetts, USA
    I've read a bit more of Fallen Gods and it has gotten better.

    But, do we have to have yet another alien race that needs to be saved because an internal problem due to religion? How many alien races are going to get into trouble because of religion? This is an overused plot device (IMHO) and I think it's time we stopped using it for a while.