Trials "Canon"?

[RobertScorpio]

With obvious changes in the timeline, and different scenes because of it, (i.e the line up scene with Obrien/Bashir now included) does this mean that if they ever remaster the remasters they should insert, into TOS, the altered scenes???

You wouldn't have to insert the whole episode...but you know...

Rob

 

[SonicRanger]

Depends if you believe in one timeline or many... Like the current discussion in Trek Tech.

 

[Lord Garth]

TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, and ST I-X are supposed to take place in Timeline 1.

ST XI is supposed to take place in the new Timeline 2.

So: The TOS-era scenes in "Trials and Tribble-ations" are still valid in the context of DS9 because both TOS and DS9 take place in Timeline 1.

EDIT: I think I misread the original post. Sorry.

 

[jamestyler]

With obvious changes in the timeline, and different scenes because of it, (i.e the line up scene with Obrien/Bashir now included) does this mean that if they ever remaster the remasters they should insert, into TOS, the altered scenes???

You wouldn't have to insert the whole episode...but you know...

Rob

I would be amused if they did. But in TV time travel logic the DS9 time travel hadn't happened yet and the initial event had to occur before the other crew could jump in.

The only thing that might match up outside of DS9's crew getting involved would be the Tribbles falling out of the storage compartment when Kirk is surrounded by them as Dax and Sisko are shown throwing them out.

 

[Crewman47]

I always wonder what happened to the two crewman that O'Brien and Bashir replace in the line up as the Lieutenant that O'Brien replaces is just as involved in starting the fight as Scotty is but isn't there. Instead of having it Scotty, Chekov then O'Brien and Bashir they should've had it up to O'Brien, the Lieutenant then Bashir and then have the crewman that Bashir replace after Bashir.

 

[dispatcher812]

I am confused, Is this an episode?

 

[Therin of Andor]

I am confused, Is this an episode?

They are talking about "Trials and Tribble-ations", the DS9 episode which inserted the DS9 crew, Forrest Gump SPFX-like, into key scenes from "The Trouble With Tribbles", an episode of TOS.

I think the OP is suggesting that the DS9 episode be revised with the faces of the actors from ST XI now replacing those of TOS?

 

[dispatcher812]

Therin,
Thank you.

Since a reply mentioned the new movie I have a quick question on that: Is that supposed to be a different time line? I thought it was just a prequal like Starwars did.

 

[TheGodBen]

Trek XI is a set in a different timeline, but the original timeline is still going to exist due to quantum mechanics which is the greatest, foremost, fantastic, brightest, delicious, awe-inspiring, STD-curing, outstanding, non-fattening, colourful, unparalleled, preeminent, 1080p, transcendent... scientific theory of all time.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Since a reply mentioned the new movie I have a quick question on that: Is that supposed to be a different time line? I thought it was just a prequal like Starwars did.

The writers of ST XI have recently said that the general public will view the new movie as simply a prequel (and TNG sequel) of the Star Trek they recognise from TV, but for those diehard ST fans who simply must have everything fit exactly, they should remember the theories put forward by the episode "Parallels" of TNG.

 

[jamestyler]

I always wonder what happened to the two crewman that O'Brien and Bashir replace in the line up as the Lieutenant that O'Brien replaces is just as involved in starting the fight as Scotty is but isn't there. Instead of having it Scotty, Chekov then O'Brien and Bashir they should've had it up to O'Brien, the Lieutenant then Bashir and then have the crewman that Bashir replace after Bashir.

While security wee catching Bashir and O'Brien, they original crewman did the sensible thing and bolted

 

[Crewman47]

Probably the best explanation we'll ever get.

 

[Strider]

I am confused, Is this an episode?

They are talking about "Trials and Tribble-ations", the DS9 episode which inserted the DS9 crew, Forrest Gump SPFX-like, into key scenes from "The Trouble With Tribbles", an episode of TOS.

I think the OP is suggesting that the DS9 episode be revised with the faces of the actors from ST XI now replacing those of TOS?

No, I'm pretty sure he's saying put Bashir and O'Brien in the Original Series episode.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Both episodes are canon. Canon doesn't mean "without contradiction," If that was true they'd be looping in all sorts of dialog to "correct" various Trek episodes.

 

[Odo's_Bucket]

The Tos episode shows how events originally unfolded. The Ds9 shows how the events were changed. You can't alter the first and then expect the second to make sense.

 

[Hofner]

A couple scenes they should have done in "Trials And Tribble-ations". F'instance in the bar on the K-7 station.

Bashir: Hey, that's Montgomery Scott, the famous engineer!

Worf: Yeah that's him. Y'know I met him on the Enterprise D when he was an old man taken out of some transporter stasis or something. The old fool kept claiming he'd seen me before, something about choking in a bar. I told him he was a total idiot because I'd never met him before. Besides, Klingons never choke. He was so mad I thought he was going to have a heart attack.

Work laughs and starts taking a sip of his drink.

Bashir: Uh, actually maybe he HAD seen you before, right here and now. He's right over there you know.

Worf chokes on drink.

Later,
Kirk: Yes?

Sisko: It's been an honor serving with you.

Kirk: Gabriel Bell !?!?

Sisko: Uh oh.

Robert

 

[Odo's_Bucket]

A couple scenes they should have done in "Trials And Tribble-ations". F'instance in the bar on the K-7 station.

Bashir: Hey, that's Montgomery Scott, the famous engineer!

Worf: Yeah that's him. Y'know I met him on the Enterprise D when he was an old man taken out of some transporter stasis or something. The old fool kept claiming he'd seen me before, something about choking in a bar. I told him he was a total idiot because I'd never met him before. Besides, Klingons never choke. He was so mad I thought he was going to have a heart attack.

Work laughs and starts taking a sip of his drink.

Bashir: Uh, actually maybe he HAD seen you before, right here and now. He's right over there you know.

Worf chokes on drink.

Later,
Kirk: Yes?

Sisko: It's been an honor serving with you.

Kirk: Gabriel Bell !?!?

Sisko: Uh oh.

Robert

Funny.

 

[Hoshi_Mayweather]

A question:

If Ensign (or was it Lieutenant?) Freeman, the 'unnamed officer,' and Marlena Moreau were replaced....or at least their actions in that timeline were replaced....I wonder what their 'alternate' actions were?

I think a posters mentioned Freeman and the other officer probably left the area when the fight broke out (in that timeline) so they wouldn't get in trouble.

Too, I've always wondered what Kirk thought of an officer suddenly coming up to him and stating 'it was an honor'. (Kirk wasn't a legend at that time, actually. His ship carried a legendary name, however).

I'm sure he would have tried to track down 'Lt. Sisko,' and find out who he was...in friendly curiosity.

 

[trekkerguy]

It may not have been common but I don't think it would be all that suspicious.

He may not of been a legend but certainly well known.

 

[Odo's_Bucket]

Though he's certainly well known, General Schwarzkopf isn't quite a legend yet. In a hundred years or so he will be. I doubt he would have found it strange for a fellow soldier to approach him during desert storm and tell him it was an honor to meet him.