TrekMOVIE Is Broken

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by Devon, Sep 5, 2013.

  1. The Stig

    The Stig Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Oct 28, 2004
    Behind the wheel.
    Which brings us to the point, really. What, exactly, are we expecting from Star Trek?

    I'd argue that if we're expecting cutting social commentary, Star Trek isn't (and never has been) particularly effective on that front. It's always played it safe, with pat answers and trite conclusions to all the 'issues' presented. Even the much-vaunted DS9 failed to actually create the moral grey area that fans give it credit for. Our heroes always did the 'right' thing and even in their darkest hour, it was alien third-parties that did the dirty work (I'm looking at you, 'In the Pale Moonlight.')

    If you're looking for rousing adventure, exciting spectacle and human characters, you'd also be dissapointed by TNG-era Trek. Thanks to Roddenberries self-aggrandising view of 'evolved humanity,' we got stale and stiff characters with a 'higher sensibility.' At least First Contact had the balls to call Picard on his bullshit, if even for a moment.


    If you look at TOS, you get relatable people who have interpersonal conflicts, petty fights and make all-too-human mistakes. Sure, it's just as sexist as you'd expect a television show from the 60's to be, but there's a core there that has endured all these years. It's a winning formula: The cocksure captain, emotionless first officer and a collection of colorful crewmembers (mostly) working together. And, as the article linked in the other thread from the Hollywood Reporter correctly points out, that's the source material for Abrams' take on Trek.

    Where I break from the article is the assertion that TNG 'moved past' TOS. In reality, it went sideways from the original series and never really honored what it was about.

    We haven't had a true, spiritual successor to TOS until Abrams came along. Nothing that came after TOS managed to capture the verve and sheer enthusiasm of that series: the life-and-death stakes mixed with just the right measure of irreverence. If I were to sit down fresh and watch TOS with new eyes, then the succeeding films and television shows, there would be no question:

    Abrams got it right.
  2. BillJ

    BillJ Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Jan 30, 2001
    Well said. :techman:
  3. King Daniel Beyond

    King Daniel Beyond Admiral Admiral

    Nov 5, 2008
    King Daniel Beyond
  4. Franklin

    Franklin Vice Admiral Admiral

    Aug 22, 2006
    What he said.

    Before STID, I'd have said TVH captured the spirit of TOS the best. Our heroes are on a very serious mission with very grave consequences, and yet there's a certain absurdity to it and they seem to be having fun along the way. Come on. Who's to take it too seriously? The great Captain Kirk and Spock going to Sausalito on a public bus looking for whales? Priceless. "What does it mean, exact change?"
  5. Opus

    Opus Commodore Commodore

    Jun 20, 2003
    Bloom County
    Here, here!

    Stig, you should submit this to TrekMovie as a rebuttal editorial.
  6. Keeper

    Keeper Commodore Commodore

    Nov 16, 2007
    Land of Illusion
    +1. That really nails it! I wish it could fit in my sig.
  7. Ovation

    Ovation Vice Admiral Admiral

    Hear, Hear!!!

    I have been re-watching TOS with my young son (he's 7, same age I was when I came to Trek) and the more I watch, the more I am impressed at the way Abrams and co. captured TOS's qualities and brought them to today.
  8. KirkusOveractus

    KirkusOveractus Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Mar 27, 2009
    Ambler, PA
    I propose that whenever someone argues that the new movies aren't truly Star Trek, we copy or link them to Stig's post. Dammit, that hit every nail on the head!
  9. CaptJimboJones

    CaptJimboJones Vice Admiral Admiral

    Feb 15, 2002
    Agreed 100%. Nicely done Stig.
  10. Amaris

    Amaris Abiding Eos Premium Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    United States
    Agreed. Somebody pin this. It would make things a lot easier in the future.
  11. Awesome Possum

    Awesome Possum Keeping TNZ Shiny! Moderator

    Mar 13, 2001
    The Future!
    Slow Claps
  12. saddestmoon

    saddestmoon Commander Red Shirt

    Feb 21, 2009
    New Zealand
    QFT! And if I could, I would vote The Stig for Chancellor of the Federation!!!!!