TrekBBS Academy Awards #13: Best Picture, 1996

[Star Treks]

13th in a series of polls examining which, of the original Academy Award nominees, should have won. Up next: Best Picture, 1996. Comments encouraged.

 

[Out Of My Vulcan Mind]

For comparison, the top-rated English language feature films of 1996 on IMDB are:

Fargo (8.3)
Trainspotting (8.1)
Sling Blade (8.0)
Secrets & Lies (7.9)
Breaking the Waves (7.7)
Hamlet (7.7)
Lone Star (7.6)
Primal Fear (7.6)
Shine (7.6)
Star Trek: First Contact (7.6)
Swingers (7.6)
Waiting for Guffman (7.5)

Jerry Maguire scores a 7.3 and The English Patient a 7.2.

The English Patient was handsomely made, but generally cold and uninvolving. My vote goes to the superb Fargo.

 

[Harvey]

My vote goes to Fargo. The only other film I've seen here, Jerry Maguire, was well-made, but nothing truly exceptional. I don't understand all the accolades that were heaped upon it. I haven't seen the other three films, although I suspect I wouldn't be as interested in The English Patient as others.

Edit to add: Trainspotting went without a nomination, but Slumdog Millionaire was recognized by the Academy? Stupidity personified.

 

[Piper]

Difficult to pick a winner there, they're all very good rather than great films. I went with Fargo because it's my favourite.

 

[Hermiod]

Fargo.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Edit to add: Trainspotting went without a nomination, but Slumdog Millionaire was recognized by the Academy? Stupidity personified.

qft, but I think Slumdog is way overrated anyway.

Fargo was a great movie, The English Patient is just yet another one of these boring romance films the Academy seems to love so much.

 

[PKTrekGirl]

Don't care what anyone says. I LOVE The English Patient and I'm glad it won. I've seen this movie about 25 times now, and I love it still. And am of the firm opinion that with the possible exception of Johnny Depp not winning Best Actor for Pirates of the Caribbean and Clark Gable not winning Best Actor for Gone With The Wind, Ralph Fiennes was the most ROBBED actor of all time for Best Actor.

Further, I think Fargo is extremely overrated. Not to mention just plain gross in parts (one part in particular). I mean, we are talking about a movie that takes place in the Dakotas, 'fer cryin' out loud. How exciting could it be?

 

[Kira's Mom]

I liked Fargo best out of the bunch, but I think that was a pretty good year. No problem with English Patient winning, but it wasn't my favorite movie.

 

[Candlelight]

Trainspotting was a gem. It should've been recognised.

 

[stj]

Fargo is kind of pointless, except not in a real life sort of way.

Jerry Maguire was a sentimental comedy but it had a viewpoint. So, I picked it. If I remembered (or even saw) Secrets and Lies I might have picked it.

But Lone Star should have been the best picture of the year. First time, I saw Matthew McConaughey (sp?) do a good job. (He was rather good in the indie Tiptoe too.)

 

[Harvey]

Fargo is absurd, but not in way that's wholly untrue to the Midwest it depicts, at least of what I've experienced visiting Wisconsin and Minnesota. The film takes all the mundane details of suburban Midwestern life and lets them spiral out of control in a twisted, and unbelievable way only the Coen brothers could imagine. But isn't that the point of the opening text--announcing everything you're about to see is true when it plainly isn't sort of lets the audience in on the joke, no?

What do you find so reprehensible about it, stj?

 

[stj]

"Kind of pointless" doesn't even suggest reprehensible. The antics of the diminished characters in Fargo and No Country for Old Men just aren't that interesting.

 

[Harvey]

A very poor choice of words on my part. For that I apologize. But I'm still curious as to how their antics are not "interesting." Perhaps we just disagree on that point, but I'm curious as to your line of thinking here.

 

[stj]

^^^Macy's character not only didn't have a tragic fall, it was just the pathetic and contemptible usual for him. The apparent stance that society is fundamentally absurd is just a mystification taken at face value. Things may be horrifically bleak if you look beneath the surface but it's not just because everyone (else?) is such a stupid loser. Except Fargo doesn't quite have that viewpoint but near as I can tell it doesn't say much else.

It's not as inventive and sprightly as Big Lebowski or Hudsucker Proxy or the Odyssey comedy (wait, wasn't Raising Arizona one of their comedies too?) It was too bland and slow to succeed as a comedy. Nor was it as focused as Blood Simple. It wasn't even as focused as Miller's Crossing. Fargo was better than No Country for Old Men, though.

 

[Harvey]

I think the comedy in Fargo works because it inverts the clichés of the crime movie. The point is not uniquely my own, as Laura Miller wrote about it for Salon.com in a review, I should admit, that does not fully embrace the film. To quote the appropriate passage.

From this basic good vs. evil story the Coens have subtracted all the glamour and grit usually attendant on crime dramas. No one says anything clever, or dresses well. There's very little sex, and what there is of it is unsexy. There is only one chase scene, and that unsuspenseful. The detective, a very nice pregnant lady, punches nobody, and suffers no cynical, tormented loneliness as the result of her work (in fact, she has a very nice husband who paints wildlife pictures for stamps). The villains consist of a fool and a sullen lout. No colorful, underworld characters, or sinister, rain-slicked urban alleys.

Macy's character was certainly pathetic, although I'm unsure if this had become cliché for him at this point in his career or if Fargo begun the trend. His decision to have his wife kidnapped comes early in the film, but it is the first step in his undoing. You might call it his tragic fall. The character is so unlucky, of course, that he continues to fail in every scene that he is in.

But if the humor of the banality of the Midwest (which has been my only experience of that region after visiting it several times, as many family members reside there) juxtaposed with the dark world of crime is ineffective on you, I can understand your disenchantment with the film.

Actually, it makes quite a bit of sense that you don't like No Country for Old Men, either. That film basically does the same thing--subverts our expectations of a crime drama--but without the dark comedy of Fargo.

 

[Out Of My Vulcan Mind]

I'd say Fargo and No Country for Old Men can certainly be seen as companion pieces in the filmography of the Coen Bros, although Fargo is ultimately far more optimistic.

Fargo shows human frailty and cruelty, played for black comedy through much of the film, juxtaposed and contrasted with Marge's down to earth, warmhearted work ethic and decency. It sends up the banality of the midwest while also being something of a love letter to it, especially in the character of Marge and in the marriage of Marge and Norm. It also sends up the banality of small-time losers hatching pathetic criminal schemes, and is optimistic in having the losers brought to justice.

The film certainly has a point of view, and it's encapsulated in Marge's speech in the police car at the end.

No Country for Old Men is far more bleak in showing the triumph of nihilistic violence.

 

[CaptainCanada]

Always disliked Fargo; highly overrated, in my opinion. I voted for Jerry Maguire, though it wasn't anything particularly special either.

 

[aladinsane]

I really likedThe English Patient, however, I would vote forFargo to win the oscar due to it being a far more enjoyable film. I have no problem with The English Patient winning. It was a very well-made, moving picture.

 

[Winged Victory]

I would have loved to see Shine pick up the Best Picture Oscar that year. I'm a huge fan of all the music featured in the movie, and Geoffrey Rush was superb as David Helfgott. But I'm alright with The English Patient winning. Turned me on to the hotness of Ralph Fiennes!

 

[Othello]

Primal Fear is a great movie and Edward Norton was screwed as he should have won over Cuba Gooding jr. for Best supporting actor.

Not really fond of any of these but woul go with Shine...