Trek XII Will NOT Be A Remake

[The Wormhole]

Trekmovie just posted a new interview with Abrams's Cohorts here. In it they discuss all manner of nonsense, but of particular note, while touching upon their plans for Trek XII they say this:

Orci: We would never do a remake….it will be some time in the five year mission. But that is a question. Should we pick them up immediately the next day or should it be later, we are still discussing that.

So there we have it, the much fabled TWOK remake will not be happening for Trek XII. I got to say, this has me relieved and almost give me the impression these guys know what they're doing.

Anyone else have thoughts they wish to share on this matter?

 

[Franklin]

My fear was never that they were going to outright remake TWOK. That seemed too stupid for anyone to consider doing. (Right? Right?)
My fear was using Khan in any story. And, this doesn't necessarily rule that out. (Though it may come close.)

 

[The Wormhole]

Wouldn't using Khan in the movie still make it a remake? Maybe not of TWOK, but of Space Seed, anyway.

 

[Franklin]

Wouldn't using Khan in the movie still make it a remake? Maybe not of TWOK, but of Space Seed, anyway.

Well, in a strict sense of what a remake is, no. It would be more like the Batman movies reusing the Joker to tell different stories (or put a different spin on essentially the same theme).

Your point about Space Seed is correct. Essentially, that "first contact" and Kirk's first conflict with Khan would be told as it unfolds in this new universe. Does that make it a remake? Kinda sorta, I guess. But the story could also be considered original because it's not really Space Seed retold.
As I posted in another thread, it would probably unfold with some other ship coming across Khan's sleeper ship. They revive Khan and the others, and Khan takes over that ship (where Kirk stopped him from taking the Enterprise in SS). Khan now has his Reliant (so to speak) and sets out to do evil. Kirk and the Enterprise must stop him. That just doesn't have me on the edge of my seat. How could the nature of the conflict, so personal in TWOK, be matched in this case?

 

[barnaclelapse]

Trekmovie just posted a new interview with Abrams's Cohorts here. In it they discuss all manner of nonsense, but of particular note, while touching upon their plans for Trek XII they say this:

Orci: We would never do a remake….it will be some time in the five year mission. But that is a question. Should we pick them up immediately the next day or should it be later, we are still discussing that.

So there we have it, the much fabled TWOK remake will not be happening for Trek XII. I got to say, this has me relieved and almost give me the impression these guys know what they're doing.

Anyone else have thoughts they wish to share on this matter?

Works for me.

I don't like the idea of picking up the next day, for some reason. I'd put it a little later, if only a few months.

 

[The Wormhole]

Hell, there's going to be three years between the movie's release, so why not have it three years after XI?

 

[Franklin]

Works for me.

I don't like the idea of picking up the next day, for some reason. I'd put it a little later, if only a few months.

Yeah. It'd be nice to have had some time pass. Maybe even two or three years (as it will be in real time). Let's see Kirk and his crew on an adventure after they've become comfortable in their jobs, gained some experience, and trust each other. I'd hate to see these movies become about them growing into their jobs and getting to know each other. There aren't going to be enough movies for that luxury. Let's jump to their primes and get into the middle of the action.

 

[SalvorHardin]

Good news I suppose, though I never really thought they'd do an outright remake of a past Trek movie or episode.

Yeah. It'd be nice to have had some time pass. Maybe even two or three years (as it will be in real time). Let's see Kirk and his crew on an adventure after they've become comfortable in their jobs, gained some experience, and trust each other. I'd hate to see these movies become about them growing into their jobs and getting to know each other. There aren't going to be enough movies for that luxury. Let's jump to their primes and get into the middle of the action.

Agreed

 

[Ronson2k10]

If it's not a remake then it wouldn't be an episode from TOS but done in a way that puts it in that time frame. The 'Five Year Mission' was a lexicon for the series (it would last perhaps 5 years). A bit of wishful thinking on behalf of the pretty new to TV Roddenberry.

One of the difficulties with going back and doing it again is that it's very hard to pick a place where they've 'never been before' and not make it look like it would have been an episode. It's not going to be an easy task for them to do. They shot a pretty big wad in the first movie. A lot of story points got touched on a bit more quantity the quality IMO but still they covered quite a bit of ground. I think in an effort to get it out of the way.

I do hope it's more show then tell. It's an axiom in writing Show don't tell. Strangely enough I felt they did quite a bit of exposition in the first movie. Spock's meld with Kirk, Nero's interrogation of Pike just to give a couple of examples. In the next one I hope they let the characters experience what is happening and not tell them to much. Give them (and us) a chance to figure it out. I'm also looking for a bit of wonderment. If not from the viewer standpoint atleast for the characters. Let's face it us fans have been around the block a few times (Enterprise,TOS,TNG,VOY,DS9 + 11 movies). There isn't to much that we haven't seen in the imagined universe. I'm sure they could come up with something but it could be hard. A different look at the same thing or atleast a new look from the characters would do just as well for me.

 

[Saquist]

I don't know if this rules out Khan completely.

 

[Dukhat]

Trekmovie just posted a new interview with Abrams's Cohorts here. In it they discuss all manner of nonsense, but of particular note, while touching upon their plans for Trek XII they say this:

Orci: We would never do a remake….it will be some time in the five year mission. But that is a question. Should we pick them up immediately the next day or should it be later, we are still discussing that.

So there we have it, the much fabled TWOK remake will not be happening for Trek XII. I got to say, this has me relieved and almost give me the impression these guys know what they're doing.

Anyone else have thoughts they wish to share on this matter?

I never once felt Abrams and "cohorts" (Their names are Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman, Wormy) were ever going to remake TWOK. The whole damn point of the reboot was to start with a fresh slate. It's doubtful that this Kirk and this Enterprise are even going to find the Botany Bay. Khan will just remain a frozen popsicle for the rest of nuTrek. The Khan thing was just started by fan speculation, which I believe Orci and Kurtzman were just humoring people about. They never intended to go that route.

 

[cooleddie74]

I don't know if this rules out Khan completely.

Well, seeing as Khan wasn't found and revived in the original timeline until early in 2267 you could have a second movie set a few years after XI(2261-63 timeframe, let's say)allowing Kirk to have a relationship with Carol Marcus if you want and get a couple of years of captaincy under his young belt before you'd even need to write a classic villain like Khan into the mix. Let Kirk and the Enterprise get a few important missions done and in the books before we revisit a concept like Khan and the Botany Bay. Even in the classic timeframe Kirk had been captain of the Enterprise for roughly two years before he ran into the Botany Bay. No need to rush things.

 

[Photoman15]

I read somewhere (a part of me died) that they are seriously considering the BORG. Please no! The Borg were TNG and VOY and they had a movie (FC). No BORG.

 

[M'Sharak]

Trekmovie just posted a new interview with Abrams's Cohorts here. In it they discuss all manner of nonsense, but of particular note, while touching upon their plans for Trek XII they say this:

Orci: We would never do a remake….it will be some time in the five year mission. But that is a question. Should we pick them up immediately the next day or should it be later, we are still discussing that.

So there we have it, the much fabled TWOK remake will not be happening for Trek XII. I got to say, this has me relieved and almost give me the impression these guys know what they're doing.

Anyone else have thoughts they wish to share on this matter?

Even before much was known about the plot and story elements of the last movie, there was an interview with Bob Orci in which he said that the appeal for him of doing a Star Trek story at all was that there was so much room still remaining in between all of the known events and action -- so much unexplored territory. True, the events shown in the movie have placed everything to come outside of the timeline we already "know"--technically, at least--but it seems to me that rehashing already-told stories would be the last thing they'd want to do.

As for Khan: he only came up at all because interviewers kept asking "Okay, what's next -- you're gonna do a remake of The Wrath of Khan, right?" Even if Abrams, Orci, et al denied outright any such intention at first, after a certain number of repetitions of that question (consider just how many dozens of interviews each member of the filmmaking team participated in, over the course of weeks and months of first promoting the film and then the Q & As following its release) you know they're going to be tempted to have some fun with it and play coy -- there are only so many times you can give the same completely straight answer to a particular question before "Oh, what the fuck - let's just make something up" kicks in.

So no, this news doesn't really surprise me a lot. Everything they've said in the past points away from them being interested in remaking things we've already seen. For Orci and Kurtzman, especially, the Trek fan in them wants to go play in those unexplored spaces -- see what else is out there..

 

[Plum]

In the next film, Kirk has to loose something. He has to suffer for his success. Perhaps the loss of a close friend.

Ok, I'm alluding to Gary Mitchell. I could hear you all rolling your eyes even as I typed it.

I don't mean to redo WNMHGB, just that for the next film, the writers have to come up with the central conflict. Well, after watching Kirk kick serious ass (loved the film, really!) we need the punk to grow up a bit?

Just thinkin' out loud. In text. ;p

 

[Dukhat]

In the next film, Kirk has to loose something. He has to suffer for his success. Perhaps the loss of a close friend.

Ok, I'm alluding to Gary Mitchell. I could hear you all rolling your eyes even as I typed it.

But Gary Mitchell isn't nuKirk's friend. nuKirk never even met him. So how can he lose something he never had?

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Besides he already lost his Dad in the last one and the whole timeline went wonky because of that.

Give the guy a break!

 

[Ronson2k10]

Yep we never met Gary or Finnegan (Kirks tormentor in 'Shore Leave'). I had thought though that Kirk was instructing at the time when Mitchell was at the academy? Perhaps post Pike and Pre Enterprise (prior to getting a command of his own).

"A stack of books with legs. In Kirk's class you either think or sink." So we could still see Mitchell if they have him back at the academy (perhaps in movie 3 of the nu-trek). I don't think so myself. I really did like the episode though. It's one of my favorites. The inner conflicts between friends and through no fault of his own one becomes a monster that Kirk has to deal with. Just when you thought it was safe to travel through space?

As for Finnegan we didn't see him either. Would have been nice just to have a few shots at Kirk beside the food synthesizer or I just had a thought what if he was the security officer (Cupcake). He perhaps wasn't as mean as Kirk 'fantasized' him being but still perhaps a minor detail that would have made you go - these guys did there research really well.

While he did lose his father it was just seconds after he was born. He never knew his father and therefore even though I'm sure he is quite curious he can't really miss him (he just wasn't there to begin with). His step dad (I'm thinking) is a bit of pain caring more about his car then his stepson. Given that he may be a handful as someone without his real dad perhaps seems natural.

I still think that the prime directive (perhaps a no win scenario) has yet to be played out for the Captain of the Enterprise. That may give him pause to asses what he missed during that training. Sseeing as has a pension for not regarding PD as the top order later in his career. He perhaps obeys the prime directive to the letter and that brings about a great disaster. He cheated and perhaps trying to make up for that over compensates in this area. When it unfolds though he re-asses his belief in the Prime Directive and rationalizes his decisions based on the one that led to the disaster.

Just plotting out loud..

 

[indranee]

Trekmovie just posted a new interview with Abrams's Cohorts here. In it they discuss all manner of nonsense, but of particular note, while touching upon their plans for Trek XII they say this:

Orci: We would never do a remake….it will be some time in the five year mission. But that is a question. Should we pick them up immediately the next day or should it be later, we are still discussing that.

So there we have it, the much fabled TWOK remake will not be happening for Trek XII. I got to say, this has me relieved and almost give me the impression these guys know what they're doing.

Anyone else have thoughts they wish to share on this matter?

oh gosh, thank you thank you THANK YOU!!!!

 

[shapeshifter]

*breathes hugh sigh of relief!*

I was really worried they might take the Khan road. This proves to me they are interested in keeping the nuverse fresh and I couldn't be happier!