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Trek XI = New Doctor WHO?

I think there are real similarities between the new "Doctor Who" and the approach being taken to this film, yeah.

I love Russell Davies' version of "Doctor Who" and far prefer it to the old videotaped versions.
 
There's far too much whinging on about "appealing to 'the masses'" around here. As if everyone who isn't necessarily a "genre fan" is a member of some lumbering undead whorde, unable to appreciate anything with substance.

Guess what folks, we are "the masses". Everyone is. You don't culturally elevate yourself above the rest of humankind when you join a scifi message board. Scifi fandom is not as elite a club as people pretend it is.

Any big budget outing like Trek 11 has to attempt to please "the masses". That's its job. The difference is whether it does that by simply ticking boxes (your average Jason Statham flick), or by cleverly ticking those boxes in compelling and interesting ways (The Matrix, anyone?).

And anyway, if it this re-jigging of the franchise is comparable to Doctor Who's rebirth, then that can't be anything but a good thing as far as I'm concerned.

The new Doctor Who is a kids show.

It certainly isn't. Not in the way you seem to be implying anyway. Despite being family friendly, it's one hell of a lot better written than a shitload of "mature" shows I'd care to mention (its very own spin off, for one).
 
And I disagree that the new Who is merely a "kids' show". I'm 41 and I watch it regularly (it's on my PVR) and my kids are still too young (though my daughter is nearly old enough--don't know if she'll like it though).

Also, I'd like to see how "The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit," "Blink," "Midnight," "Doomsday" and "Silence in the Library," among others, are 'kid's shows.' Especially "Midnight," which is essentially a stage play with a dozen characters trapped in a confined space until they're driven to paranoia. :wtf:


"Blink" was nothing short of terrifying, it was looong overdue for this incarnation of Who :p

With regards to the ongoing debate of RTD's skills: I did feel that last season of Doctor Who was aimed more at the Sarah Jane Adventures viewers, and we've even seen Torchwood be adapted to be family friendly this year. I think I understand the points about not wanting to see Star Trek go the same way.

If you remember Children's Ward, that was quite intelligent writing for children's TV, and Dark Season still gives me the creeps now, 17 years after its first broadcast. Apparently he also wrote Queer As Folk - I didn't know that, but I know it's a show that receives a lot of praise. So he is definitely capable of good, solid writing.

Ummm, I'm not quite sure how to tie this back into the original discussion... Comparing Trek to Who, I understand that a lot of people don't want Trek to go the way of the new Who... It's not "dumbed down" as such, but it doesn't feel as rich as it used to be - that could just be because the new series doesn't do multi-episode story arcs (á la Pertwee's series for instance). But it has made efforts to develop this new universe through recurring themes like the new UNIT and Torchwood themselves.

The thing is, Doctor Who has built-in mechanisms for allowing re-imaginings, reboots, etc, through the Time War and the Doctor's regenerations and such, it's the sole reason the show's been going as long as it has.

Trek isn't like this, and I don't think it can be. I definitely don't think clearing out parts of canon to make way for new stories is the way to go to be honest. The fact Trek has a very in-depth 40 year history and continuity is what makes the franchise so special. I wouldn't like to start seeing bits being cut out, changed and moved around just for the sake of getting a new Kirk era to work. If Trek can't work by adding to existing canon instead of changing or deleting it, then Star Trek has obviously run its course and they should start looking at creating a whole new franchise (maybe one that's like Star Trek).

As so many posts say though, this is all just speculation and we won't know til May whether or not each fan decides to stick with Trek, move on, or ignore the fact Trek XI ever happened :p
 
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Interestingly, WHO itself is getting rebooted again-a new producer, Doctor and companion will be there when the show returns in 2010 after a hiatus.
 
Interestingly, WHO itself is getting rebooted again-a new producer, Doctor and companion will be there when the show returns in 2010 after a hiatus.


Who has never been rebooted - the story-telling was modernized for a audience but the previous history all holds.
 
And I disagree that the new Who is merely a "kids' show". I'm 41 and I watch it regularly (it's on my PVR) and my kids are still too young (though my daughter is nearly old enough--don't know if she'll like it though).

Also, I'd like to see how "The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit," "Blink," "Midnight," "Doomsday" and "Silence in the Library," among others, are 'kid's shows.' Especially "Midnight," which is essentially a stage play with a dozen characters trapped in a confined space until they're driven to paranoia. :wtf:

I'd like to point out that IF Doctor Who is a kids' show, I'd like to point out that "kids show" doesn't equate to "immature." Heck, some of the greatest films that evoke the most emotion from adults... were intended for kids. Any Pixar film can tell you that, or Beauty and the Beast, or Aladdin.

Besides, Russell Davies himself said that the show was designed to scare kids, but you'd have to draw the kids into the show in order to do that.

http://www.btvision.bt.com/replay/russell-t-davies-tells-us-its-good-to-scare-children/

Interestingly, WHO itself is getting rebooted again-a new producer, Doctor and companion will be there when the show returns in 2010 after a hiatus.

That's not a reboot, that's Doctor Who tradition. The same continuity will be maintained.

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Anyway, back to the topic at hand, the fanboy in me would love if it the movie was like nuWho, in that it is indeed a connection to the past. There are, of course, parallels of Leonard Nimoy to, say, Elizabeth Sladen or Peter Davison that legitimizes the memories of the old shows and canon into the new.
 
I had gotten rather ho-hum on Dr. Who until Davies took the helm. He revitalised the show, making it exciting and fun again. It's arguably more popular now than ever before.

I was ready to bag Trek after Voyager and Nemesis. Frankly, Enterprise made me throw up in my mouth a little the few times I tried to watch. I sincerely hope Abrams can achieve a similar success as Davies enjoyed.
 
And I disagree that the new Who is merely a "kids' show". I'm 41 and I watch it regularly (it's on my PVR) and my kids are still too young (though my daughter is nearly old enough--don't know if she'll like it though).

Also, I'd like to see how "The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit," "Blink," "Midnight," "Doomsday" and "Silence in the Library," among others, are 'kid's shows.' Especially "Midnight," which is essentially a stage play with a dozen characters trapped in a confined space until they're driven to paranoia. :wtf:

Interestingly enough...most of those are not RTD's writing but rather Stephen Moffatt's, the new producer of WHO.

When new WHO's been done right like those episodes (I'd also throw in Human Nature/Family of Blood and School Reunion for good measure), it's been fantastic.

However, RTD's episodes largely have relied on just...well...cheap moments.

And the reason I thought people hadn't seen a bunch of RTD's writing was b/c I was unaware just how much has been broadcast of new WHO here. I honestly didn't know how caught up Sci-Fi had gotten in broadcasting them. I mean, if you still think RTD's writing as a WHO writer is great after Voyage of the Damned, Journey's End and so on...well, that's your opinion, you're entitled to it just as I'm entitled to my opinion that those episodes are utter crap:)
 
And I disagree that the new Who is merely a "kids' show". I'm 41 and I watch it regularly (it's on my PVR) and my kids are still too young (though my daughter is nearly old enough--don't know if she'll like it though).

Also, I'd like to see how "The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit," "Blink," "Midnight," "Doomsday" and "Silence in the Library," among others, are 'kid's shows.' Especially "Midnight," which is essentially a stage play with a dozen characters trapped in a confined space until they're driven to paranoia. :wtf:

Interestingly enough...most of those are not RTD's writing but rather Stephen Moffatt's, the new producer of WHO.

When new WHO's been done right like those episodes (I'd also throw in Human Nature/Family of Blood and School Reunion for good measure), it's been fantastic.

However, RTD's episodes largely have relied on just...well...cheap moments.

And the reason I thought people hadn't seen a bunch of RTD's writing was b/c I was unaware just how much has been broadcast of new WHO here.

ah.... I see what you problem is.. you haven't accounted for the fact that a sizable number of us are in the UK and thus it's just normal tv for us not something we have to hunt down, your remarks make sense in that context and aren't the sly dig I thought they were. Apologies.
 
Actually, you're right, I didn't know that you guys were largely British. Well...howdy from this Yankee.
 
I loved the original, and love the RTD version*, so I certainly hope Abram's Trek measures up.

* (Except for the bit with the Starship Titanic. That was crap.)
 
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Depends how well it does really.

I mean between Classic Who and New Who we had the one off TVM... full of reinvention, an original star to tied it over... there's a lot about this movie that reminds me of that to be honest. Still time will tell.
 
If anything, Trek XI will probably be the Star Trek equivelant of the Doctor Who telemovie from 1996. A failed attempt to relaunch the series that ended up being reviled by the fans. Star Trek will have to wait another decade for its RTD esque writer to bring it back to television as a top-quality TV show that will rock in the ratings.
 
If anything, Trek XI will probably be the Star Trek equivelant of the Doctor Who telemovie from 1996. A failed attempt to relaunch the series that ended up being reviled by the fans. Star Trek will have to wait another decade for its RTD esque writer to bring it back to television as a top-quality TV show that will rock in the ratings.

Your world of fantasy is far more powerful than anything seen on the screen - this film is going to be box office gold!
 
If anything, Trek XI will probably be the Star Trek equivelant of the Doctor Who telemovie from 1996. A failed attempt to relaunch the series that ended up being reviled by the fans. Star Trek will have to wait another decade for its RTD esque writer to bring it back to television as a top-quality TV show that will rock in the ratings.

The Doctor Who movie is considered part of the overall canon, though. The events of the movie have been referenced quite a few times over the course of the show, to the point where the movie Doctor had a quick cameo of sorts in series 3.

So even if it gets reviled by fans, by your comparison, Abrams' Trek will still count as Trek nonetheless.
 
The new Doctor Who series is a clear continuation of the old series while Trek XI is 'starting again' even if it isn't a reboot. I don't think this comparison works.

Charlie
 
For some of us, the point is not that "new" Trek is like "new" Who in terms of its relationship to what came before--it is that "new" Who is well done and it would be nice for "new" Trek to achieve that level of quality. In that sense, as two "fresh" takes on long-standing franchises, they are comparable.
 
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