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Trek XI And Internet Criticism: Makes You Wish It Was 1982...

You know, over all I've really enjoyed reading these forums and getting people's thoughts and perspectives on the movie. Of course, there's some obnoxious posters who seem convinced they are right and deride anyone who has a different opinion than they do, but I quickly learn who those posters are and skim pass their posts.
 
Makes you wonder if people back then had to write letters to bitch about people writing other letters they didn't like.

In the Daily Gazette June 6, 1982

Dear Editor,
I was out the other day in my automobile and I found myself distraught over the amount of work being done on our roads. My daily commute is now fourty minutes longer because of all the delays. I find it Intolerable.

Sandra Jones.


In the Daily Gazette June 9, 1982

Dear Editor,

I was reading your letter's page the other day when I saw a complaint by a Miss Sandra Jones. I felt compelled to write you and tell you what a Twit I thought she was. Doesn't she know our road system is important for the transportation of people and goods. Her inconvience while they repair the roads is a just and small compensation for her ability to use them.

Mark Wyatt.

In the Daily Gazette June 12, 1982

Dear Editor,

In referance to mister Wyatt's letter about my letter. He can eat me.

Sandra Jones.



Something like that?
 
I disagree. It lets us see who the canon-continuity uber-nerds and allows us great opportunity to laugh at them.

Besides, bitching is the one great thing about the internet. I love the fact that i can bitch about an NBA GM making a horrible trade, or how garbage Nemesis or Enterprise were, and how Catwoman's costume is the most laughably stupid thing in the world (and btw Halle's body double was a guy, for those of you about to play the 'hot' card).
 
I am actually glad there is now a forum like this to discuss Star Trek movies as they come out and other forums for different topics... it makes it interesting to hear what other people think of the movies and shows that are out.

I for one love discussing my favorite shows and movies with online fandom friends... it was very isolating before. When I was watching Star Wars and Star Trek back in the 70s and 80s none of my friends save one was into it. I knew there were people into it, since it was so popular but unless you went to convention, you never met anyone. Since we were both in middle school and gals, there was no way we would be able to go to a con.

I like having the net around. Plus over the past 10 years, I've made a lot of friends I never would have met before.
 
You know, there are Usenet newsgroups you can still dig up from the early and mid 80s that contain the same kind of bullshit about the various movies and the upcoming TNG series and how it's going to be all kinds of horse shit because it "violates teh cannons!" And you can imagine that any Trek fan with access to net.startrek in 1983 would have been an Uber-nerd! The worst kind! :lol:

Obviously the average person wouldn't be bombarded with this crap like they are today, but even back then if you had access to a computer you could find all sorts of geeks complaining about Star Trek in every fashion imaginable.
 
Is the average person, even today, really 'bombarded' with 'this crap'? TrekBBS only has thirteen thousand members, after all, and that's with the entire online population of the entire industrialised world to draw from. Sites like these expose a tiny, tiny, self-selecting minority to the viewpoints expressed in them.
 
If I read the OP's topic correctly, his problem is that the internet has become a place for rants rather than discussion. I agree. It is sad that manners are not transferred to the internet. Many, many times on this board I have seen a poster correct someones horrid mangling of the English language followed by the defensive, "It's the internet. I don't have to use proper English, spelling, etc. and damn you for suggesting I should!!"

Starship sang, "Video killed the radio star..." I posit that, "Internet killed manners..." Because we do not see the other person face-to-face, we often feel they do not deserve respect as a human being. It is sad, but often true.

In my opinion, this is what leads to personal attacks rather than a proper debate based on the movie's characteristics. Instead of, "I don't like this movie/episode/series because of...." we now hear, "Anyone who doesn't think what I think was never a fan of movie/episode/series and is a hypocrite/loser/basement-dweller..." while "Anyone who agrees with me is an intelligent person who is better than you..."

If the same discussion took place face-to-face, one of a few things would happen:
-the discussion would be more polite
-the discussion would end in both parties walking away
-the discussion would end in a fist fight
-other options I may not have thought about

On the internet, most of us know we may never meet the other person so we feel more free to say things we would never dare speak in person.

Manners should be mandatory on the internet, but is impossible to enforce. It is up to the individual to police themselves, which does not work in practice. This is why Moderators often say, "Respond to the post, not the poster." I am as guilty as anyone of occasionally breaking this rule, although I try (as do most people here).

As a child I was taught to mind my manners. We should all strive to do this... even online.
 
You know, there are Usenet newsgroups you can still dig up from the early and mid 80s that contain the same kind of bullshit about the various movies and the upcoming TNG series and how it's going to be all kinds of horse shit because it "violates teh cannons!" And you can imagine that any Trek fan with access to net.startrek in 1983 would have been an Uber-nerd! The worst kind! :lol:

Obviously the average person wouldn't be bombarded with this crap like they are today, but even back then if you had access to a computer you could find all sorts of geeks complaining about Star Trek in every fashion imaginable.

Haha, I have no doubt about it! I've never read any of the old Trek Usenet groups, but I've read some of the Star Wars ones back before Return of the Jedi came out and those were pretty hilarious. Talk about getting wanky, people hadn't even seen RotJ yet and already there were some tripping out over stuff in it.
 
You know, there are Usenet newsgroups you can still dig up from the early and mid 80s ...
Reading that made me curious, so I just used google and found these usenet posts from 1986. I found it interesting that the internet slang terms "spoiler" and "flame" were already in use at that time. Someone who disliked ST4 expressed gratitude that Nimoy would not be directing the next one. Heh.
 
You know, there are Usenet newsgroups you can still dig up from the early and mid 80s ...
Reading that made me curious, so I just used google and found these usenet posts from 1986. I found it interesting that the internet slang terms "spoiler" and "flame" were already in use at that time. Someone who disliked ST4 expressed gratitude that Nimoy would not be directing the next one. Heh.
If they had only known then...:rommie:
 
Just be like the rest of us and slowly shake your head at the misguided opinions of people who don't agree with you!
 
Of course, that's part of why they feel angry. People don't like being powerless in the face of something they don't like, even if it's entertainment. So I guess we should be glad they have this place in which to vent.
If it keeps them from kicking their dog, then I am all for it.
 
In 1982, there was no internet. At least, not in the way there is now. The general public (yes, us) were not offered an open forum to bitch about anything, ranging from politics to Britney... I must say that the constant spew of harsh internet critism is getting quite irritating, at least that's how I feel... Why do people shamelessly make anyone who likes Trek XI feel like a complete donkey around here? And it happens everywhere around the net.

So you're upset that there's free speech on the net, but you wish there was free speech on the net? That's the trouble with the net, you have to hear opposing view points along with the ones you already agree with. Having trouble dealing with that is a sign of close-mindedness.

Instead of an open forum where people can debate, the internet seems to have turned into a platform where people just climb into their ivory tower, claiming they own the ultimate truth and insight...

Hate to break it to you, but that's not just on the net. That's called human nature.

For crying ot loud, the film is a great success: it's already making profit and it's 95% fresh on Rotten Tomatoes. Apparently, both public and critics favor the film greatly...

So above it's bad that people are on the net with free speech that disagrees with your opinion, but free speech on the net that agrees with your opinion is good. Reference that bit about closed-mindedness and human nature.

It made me wonder: how would the internet reaction have been in 1982 to TWOK had internet been around like it is now.... Oh, I can just imagine...

- "Khan Recognizes Chekov??? Okay, this film SUCKS..."
- "A Vulcan that says 'Damn!'... This is NOT Trek!..."
etc., etc., etc...

The next post in that thread would have been: But Khan met Chekov, it was in a deleted scene.

So what if Kirk happens to stumble upon Spock on Delta Vega..? What, would you let your enjoyment of 'The Empire Strikes Back' be spoiled just because Luke happens to meet Yoda at about exactly the same spot where he crashes his X-Wing..?? And I think Dagobah is bigger than Delta Vega..!

For Kirk is pure coincidence, which is bad writing. For Luke there's an easy out, the Force.
 
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