Trek Typos

[Nerys Myk]

referring to the ship as "the Voyager,"

Unfortunately, the writers' habit of calling the ship just "Voyager" carried over to Enterprise, where they always referred to their ship as "Enterprise," even though TOS always used the definitive article in front of the ship name.

Not seeing the problem. In the real world ships are referred with and without the definitive article.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Unfortunately, the writers' habit of calling the ship just "Voyager" carried over to Enterprise, where they always referred to their ship as "Enterprise," even though TOS always used the definitive article in front of the ship name.

Not seeing the problem. In the real world ships are referred with and without the definitive article.

It was a problem because ENT was supposed to be a prequel to TOS, but it took way more influence from TNG and VOY - series that took place approximately 200 years later.

 

[Enterprise1701]

Unfortunately, the writers' habit of calling the ship just "Voyager" carried over to Enterprise, where they always referred to their ship as "Enterprise," even though TOS always used the definitive article in front of the ship name.

Not seeing the problem. In the real world ships are referred with and without the definitive article.

It was a problem because ENT was supposed to be a prequel to TOS, but it took way more influence from TNG and VOY - series that took place approximately 200 years later.

Well to compare with an example in real life, the popularity of particular decades of U.S. culture ebbs and flows. An event in 2010 which is held in honor of the 1980s may interpret a 1980s tradition differently than one thrown in 2020.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Unfortunately, the writers' habit of calling the ship just "Voyager" carried over to Enterprise, where they always referred to their ship as "Enterprise," even though TOS always used the definitive article in front of the ship name.

Not seeing the problem. In the real world ships are referred with and without the definitive article.

It was a problem because ENT was supposed to be a prequel to TOS, but it took way more influence from TNG and VOY - series that took place approximately 200 years later.

Still not seeing the problem. Why should Enterprise follow the same name usage patterns as TOS? As I said,in the real world the use of the definitive article is inconsistent, so there is no "wrong" way.

 

[The Wormhole]

Not seeing the problem. In the real world ships are referred with and without the definitive article.

It was a problem because ENT was supposed to be a prequel to TOS, but it took way more influence from TNG and VOY - series that took place approximately 200 years later.

Still not seeing the problem. Why should Enterprise follow the same name usage patterns as TOS? As I said,in the real world the use of the definitive article is inconsistent, so there is no "wrong" way.

And besides, this kind of shit is cyclical. It is perfectly within reason and precedent for the definitive article to be added, removed, re-added, removed again as centuries go by.

 

[GNDN18]

Here are four instances from TMP:

KIRK: Enterprise is the only Federation starship that stands in its way.

McCOY: You've used this emergency to get Enterprise back.

ILIA PROBE: I have been given its form to more readily communicate with the carbon-based units infesting Enterprise.

DECKER: Enterprise would be unable to function without carbon units.​

We hear "the Enterprise" many times in TMP, too.

So, "the/no the" has from TMP on, at least, been a thing.

This crud about intercom protocols, "Archer to the bridge" versus "Kirk to bridge," though, that's just wrong.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I don't think it's a "thing". It seems to be just a matter of personal preference. Some might say "the Enterprise", and some prefer to just say "Enterprise". There's no reason to believe that, in any time period, either of these is "right" and the other is "wrong". Just whatever the person feels like saying. Both are correct.

McCOY: You've used this emergency to get Enterprise back.

Actually, McCoy says "the Enterprise" in that scene.

And I might point out this bit in ST III:

KIRK: The Enterprise is...

MORROW (interrupting): Jim, the Enterprise is 20 years old!

vs. another bit in the same film, almost the same scene:

SCOTTY: With all appreciation, sir, I'd prefer to supervise the refit of Enterprise.

Seems clear to me now that there is no rule. Some use 'the', others don't. Makes no fundamental difference.

 

[GNDN18]

^Thanks for clarifying my point. Characters refer to the ship with or without the definite article throughout the movies. Even in TOS Commodore Wesley does the same thing.

Also, I appreciate your comment about McCoy's line. That transcript didn't feel right when I copied it.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

My point was not that Kirk's Enterprise was never, ever referred to without the definitive article on TOS or the movies with the original crew, it was that it was predominantly referred to in that fashion. ENT reversed that trend and did the exact opposite most of the time, as was the fashion on VOY (probably just because the writers thought that the word "Voyager" sounded better without the "the" in front of it).

In other words, if you're making a prequel to a long-running series, it might make sense to most strongly emulate the show that lies the closest to it chronologically, instead of the farthest.

That's all.

 

[Nerys Myk]

My point was not that Kirk's Enterprise was never, ever referred to without the definitive article on TOS or the movies with the original crew, it was that it was predominantly referred to in that fashion. ENT reversed that trend and did the exact opposite most of the time, as was the fashion on VOY (probably just because the writers thought that the word "Voyager" sounded better without the "the" in front of it).

In other words, if you're making a prequel to a long-running series, it might make sense to most strongly emulate the show that lies the closest to it chronologically, instead of the farthest.

That's all.

Sorry, but no when it comes to trivialities like the use of a definitive article before a ship's name. .

 

[Drone]

This crud about intercom protocols, "Archer to the bridge" versus "Kirk to bridge," though, that's just wrong.

Intercom protocols? I readily admit that I've never heard of them, but they sound, at least from your example, ludicrously fastidious. Please do tell, if you would, the skinny on this.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

My nomination for worst "bridge" line in Star Trek:

In "Shore Leave," Sulu says,

"Look! Someone beaming down from the bridge."



That's kinda sorta a Trek typo, right?

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Sorry, but no when it comes to trivialities like the use of a definitive article before a ship's name. .

It was obviously trivial from your POV. From mine, it was a little thing that would constantly throw me out of the story, even momentarily. It would just pop up every once in a while and figuratively scream, "This is wrong!" in my ears. Kind of like when people talk about Kirk sending an "away team" somewhere instead of a "landing party."

Obviously, it didn't bug you in the same way, for which I'm envious.

 

[Nerys Myk]

"Away team" in a TOS setting bugs me to no end.

 

[eyeresist]

My point was not that Kirk's Enterprise was never, ever referred to without the definitive article on TOS or the movies with the original crew, it was that it was predominantly referred to in that fashion. ENT reversed that trend and did the exact opposite most of the time, as was the fashion on VOY

I just scanned the transcript of TMP:

"the Enterprise"
14 times

just "Enterprise" (in cases where they could have used "the")
3 times

So you are wrong about this trivial issue.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

"Away team" in a TOS setting bugs me to no end.

Yay! Common ground!

My point was not that Kirk's Enterprise was never, ever referred to without the definitive article on TOS or the movies with the original crew, it was that it was predominantly referred to in that fashion. ENT reversed that trend and did the exact opposite most of the time, as was the fashion on VOY

I just scanned the transcript of TMP:

"the Enterprise"
14 times

just "Enterprise" (in cases where they could have used "the")
3 times

So you are wrong about this trivial issue.

Who the hell was taking about TMP?

Also:

pre·dom·i·nant·ly /prəˈdämənən(t)lē/
adverb
mainly; for the most part.
"it is predominantly a coastal bird"
synonyms: mainly, mostly, for the most part, chiefly, principally, primarily, predominately, in the main, on the whole, largely, by and large, typically, generally, usually
"a predominantly rural state"

I said that the ship was predominantly called "the Enterprise" on TOS, which it was. You don't win a disagreement by proving your opponent's point.

 

[eyeresist]

^ You said TOS and the movies. I took a random sampling and found the opposite of what you claimed. You will need to provide some evidence for your point to be valid.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

"Away team" in a TOS setting bugs me to no end.

Really? Seems more accurate, as 'landing party' implies beaming down to a planet surface. If you're going over to another ship, you're not landing, are you?

srsly, I can understand why TOS purists wouldn't want terms from another series infesting their show, but does it really matter? Landing party, away team, it's all the same in the end. And like the whole "Enterprise / the Enterprise" thing, is probably just personal preference, in-universe.

 

[Nerys Myk]

"Away team" in a TOS setting bugs me to no end.

Really? Seems more accurate, as 'landing party' implies beaming down to a planet surface. If you're going over to another ship, you're not landing, are you?

srsly, I can understand why TOS purists wouldn't want terms from another series infesting their show, but does it really matter? Landing party, away team, it's all the same in the end. And like the whole "Enterprise / the Enterprise" thing, is probably just personal preference, in-universe.

I've never liked "away team", They aren't playing baseball

Did TOS ever use "landing party" for missions to other ships? That's a boarding party.

 

[The Wormhole]

Yeah, TOS had landing parties, because they knew how to have a good time. The other shows had away teams, which sound like some sort of corporate weekend retreat.