It's just 47 popping up again.
That number of hours translates to 47K (and change) views.
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It's just 47 popping up again.
That number of hours translates to 47K (and change) views.
Tell me you’re a math nerd without telling me you’re a math nerd.It's just 47 popping up again.
Well, by that logic Enterprise is apparently the most referenced series in the newer shows.
Ease of access. You can jump in most any where.
Also, people generally do not want depth. They want casual, easy to watch, entertaining stories.
Also, people generally do not want depth. They want casual, easy to watch, entertaining stories.
Yeah, it's much easier to watch a random episode or three of TNG/VOY/ENTS1-S2, because most of them are standalone. It's harder to do that with DS9 and most of the newer shows due to the serialized nature.
I guess the Enterprise views must be a function of Scott Bakula's stardom? The NCIS franchise does great internationally, so Enterprise could be riding those coattails.
Even though DS9 is my favorite Trek, it makes sense to me where it is. TNG and VOY are much more comforting rewatches. Even I might rewatch them more, despite thinking DS9 is better. There's a greater range of life situations in which I might have TNG or VOY on, whereas DS9 I really have to pick an episode and sit down and focus.
And DS9 also strikes me as an unappealing option for Dark Prestige Drama Lovers, because it takes so long to get there. In a world where successful shows running for years can only get a total of 30 episodes, there is just no audience willing to sit through 40 episodes before it gets to the good stuff.
Even though DS9 is my favorite Trek, it makes sense to me where it is. TNG and VOY are much more comforting rewatches. Even I might rewatch them more, despite thinking DS9 is better. There's a greater range of life situations in which I might have TNG or VOY on, whereas DS9 I really have to pick an episode and sit down and focus.
And DS9 also strikes me as an unappealing option for Dark Prestige Drama Lovers, because it takes so long to get there. In a world where successful shows running for years can only get a total of 30 episodes, there is just no audience willing to sit through 40 episodes before it gets to the good stuff.
I don’t think that’s true personally. I’m rewatching it now and, aside from a couple of dull or duff episodes (“the Passenger” and “Move Along Home”) I find it one of the better first seasons of the franchise. They hit the ground running with an excellent pilot and capped it off with two 10/10 masterpieces. Certainly not its smoothest season but for me it’s heads above the first seasons of TNG, VOY and ENT. But obviously I’m in a minority.
Agreed! Don't know why DS9 season 1 gets a hard time - %-wise, I have more episodes in season 6-7 that I dislike than season 1 (but I've always been a "DS9 seasons 1-5" kind of guy, feel like the later seasons really did a disservice to the show, but I digress).
Don’t forget the not-insubstantial Quantum Leap viewership that he brought to the table which arguably still adores him after all these decades. Yes, I would agree that, in all likelihood, the popularity that ENT currently enjoys is uniquely rooted in other genres in a way that none of the other Trek series had.
Still love DS9, still hoping for a long-overdue remaster that will likely never happen. It’s not for everyone, but it has heart, and that goes a long way with me.
It's a shame, I remember being beyond excited for his initial casting -- I loved him on Quantum Leap, and as the recurring love interest on Murphy Brown. He's a true TV star.
But that character was such trash in the writing, all the charisma and stardom was burned just lifting Archer up to "tolerable."
I don't know. I didn't enjoy it when I first watched it and left it after "Move Along Home" or the aphasia episode. It was just unpleasant to me (at the time). It wasn't until "Trials and Tribble'ations" that I revisited it.
My guesses as to this data:
Being in HD and newer might make a difference. Enterprise being at the top might owe itself to be the newest of the old shows. I also think if you watch Enterprise now, its bad moments are not as bad as people made it out to be at the time.
DS9 being on the lower end might be due to it arguably being the most serialized of the Trek series. Notice that seasons 3 and 4 of Enterprise (which I would argue are that show's best) are the lowest in viewership for that series, and are also the most serialized. If I remember correctly, during DS9, the serialization was a concern of Paramount and one of the reasons the Dominion War-arc that starts season 6 is limited. The studio wanted the shows to be episodic in syndication because they were concerned the audience should be able to just jump in to an episode and not have to worry about the backstory.
TNG and VOY are much more episodic, and you can go in almost anywhere and understand the story for the episode. Where with DS9, it's harder to plop down into season 6 and understand the state of play in the Dominion War that's going on in an episode if you're unfamiliar.
Being in HD and newer might make a difference. Enterprise being at the top might owe itself to be the newest of the old shows. I also think if you watch Enterprise now, its bad moments are not as bad as people made it out to be at the time.
DS9 being on the lower end might be due to it arguably being the most serialized of the Trek series. Notice that seasons 3 and 4 of Enterprise (which I would argue are that show's best) are the lowest in viewership for that series, and are also the most serialized. If I remember correctly, during DS9, the serialization was a concern of Paramount and one of the reasons the Dominion War-arc that starts season 6 is limited. The studio wanted the shows to be episodic in syndication because they were concerned the audience should be able to just jump in to an episode and not have to worry about the backstory.
TNG and VOY are much more episodic, and you can go in almost anywhere and understand the story for the episode. Where with DS9, it's harder to plop down into season 6 and understand the state of play in the Dominion War that's going on in an episode if you're unfamiliar.
The 1990's where a very different time for TV watching. DS9 only really had good time slots in major US cities. In smaller markets it would be slotted during weekend afternoons, and subject to arbitrary rescheduling or pre-emption. I missed several episodes during the original run because of this. And this is why I never could get into BABYLON 5 having missed too many episodes of a far more serialized series.
Ironically, VGR should have been much more serialization friendly, airing in stable primetime UPN slots... Then again several major cities saw their UPN stations pre-empt programming for local sports. And cities as large as Austin didn't even have UPN for a time.
Sadly, they don't. We need a little goofiness in TV today. I'd watch TNG season one every day of the week over the boring malaise that is season 7 (and a lot of season 6)
Oh I agree that by this point I like goofiness. Which is why I prefer LD and SNW even to TNG at this point. They're just so much fun.
But I dunno if I'd call Seasons 1 and 2 of TNG the good kind of goofy. A lot of episodes from early on are, in my eyes, the bad kind of goofy where it's just like...what were they even trying? (Where no one has gone before, Justice, the Outrageous Okona, the Royale, etc.) Those episodes aren't really fun or the good kind of weird in my opinion. But I agree that there aspects of Season 1 and 2 that had so much more potential if they had been refined and expanded on in the later seasons instead of having the show descend into the early 90s beige of Season 6 and 7.
I agree that season one has its clunkers and some of those are very big clunkers.
I enjoy Where No One Has Gone Before. It shows the TOS spirit of exploration and the weirdness of space. Something that sadly wasn't nearly as present in TNG in the later seasons.
I liked Justice at the time but these days it's hard to watch and seems pretty silly.
As far as Okona and Royale, I always enjoyed those two and still do. Okona is a fun character (and oh yeah, Teri Hatcher
) and Royale, much like the aforementioned "Where No One......" shows a spirit of "hey, let's explore some space and see what's out here" instead of "hey let's showcase Crusher carrying out a murder investigation" or "hey, let's bring back Lwaxana again and have her fall in love with Charles Emerson Winchester", or "hey let's invent Worf's human half brother that no one has ever seen or mentioned before and no one will ever see again" 
That's the type of stuff that makes me go, what were they even trying?
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(and oh yeah, Teri Hatcher
The guy who played Okona was also very handsome, for that alone I wish he had become a recurring character, haha.
But in general I consider him wasted potential. I think that with a lot of first and second season episodes. Haven also had this kinda weird, exotic, very colourful vibe that was absolutely absent from Seasons 5 and 6. If some of these stories had had a more refined script (like the Royale keeping the idea of using the astronaut's most beautiful memory as the basis for the virutal world) they could have been *really* good episodes.
Perhaps but that's also a consequence of episodic TV. A lot of that stuff is one-and-done. The other side of that coin is that when you bring back certain characters, that potential is overdone, which (for me anyway) was the case with Lwaxana. Even Q was brought back too many times. Sometimes the writers and producers don't exercise enough restraint and some guest stars get overused and overexposed. There is credence in leaving your audience wanting more.
Oh I didn't necessary mean all the episodes needed to be followed up, just that the ideas would have often deserved better scripts and dialogue. Okona, for example should have been allowed to be a space rogue instead of just a guy who walks around the ship smiling while everybody around him states to the audience that he's supposedly a rogue and "outrageous".
As for Lwaxana. I agree that a mandatory Lwaxana episode was a bit much and produced some stinkers (Manhunt!) but with her I prefer her very late appearances and some of her appearances on DS9, like her talk with Odo in the tubo lift, when her facade cracks.
Q...I was never a fan of that guy. I don't like "omnipotent" aliens and...I never found the character very engaging. I even think making him the one who re-introduces the Borg was a mistake, since the Borg already had been hinted at and already had an entry into Ferderation space. The only way I can even stomach him being shoe-horned into that episode is with the fan theory that he was warning the Federation of the Borg who were already coming for them.
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