Trek canon is dead. Thanx JJ!

[DaveyNY]

BTW: Embracing works best if it's used in both directions.

I... don't really know what you're suggesting.

Oh my goodness, just by the fact that you chose to post that remark, means to me, that you do understand what I've been subtly and not so subtly suggesting since this conversation started.

But anyway....

I can't remember if you've posted which incarnation of Trek is your favorite, though from Our conversation, I'd guess TNG??

If so, would there be changes you'd like to see (or not see) if TPTB ever decide to go back to it?

edited to add....

 

[trekkerguy]

BTW: Embracing works best if it's used in both directions.

I... don't really know what you're suggesting.

Oh my goodness, just by the fact that you chose to post that remark, means to me, that you do understand what I've been subtly and not so subtly suggesting since this conversation started.

But anyway....

I can't remember if you've posted which incarnation of Trek is your favorite, though from Our conversation, I'd guess TNG??

If so, would there be changes you'd like to see (or not see) if TPTB ever decide to go back to it?

I chose to post it because I wanted to ask what
you meant by it. Oh well.

At least this time you guessed and didn't presume.
In reality I don't have a favorite. It's all Trek.
They wouldn't be changing anything.
All the DVDs would still be there.
They would simply be making it new again, IF they
ever get back around to TNG which I doubt.

This version of the original cast and era is likely the
one that will be followed from now on until Trek ends.
By the time they would be finished with this era we would
be close to accomplishing a Trek like future anyways.

Ok well um... ?

 

[DaveyNY]

I... don't really know what you're suggesting.

Oh my goodness, just by the fact that you chose to post that remark, means to me, that you do understand what I've been subtly and not so subtly suggesting since this conversation started.

But anyway....

I can't remember if you've posted which incarnation of Trek is your favorite, though from Our conversation, I'd guess TNG??

If so, would there be changes you'd like to see (or not see) if TPTB ever decide to go back to it?

I chose to post it because I wanted to ask what
you meant by it. Oh well.

If that's the case, then I'd rather not go there again...you seem too touchy about that particular subject.

At least this time you guessed and didn't presume.

I do wish you'd go back and re-read both Our posts from the start of Our conversation a little bit more carefully, I think you'll find that any presumptions you think I made, were based on what you actually posted to me, not what you thought you were posting.
In other words, try interpreting your posts from a different perspective to see why I answered you as I did.
(that's what Embracing in both Directions means, BTW.)

In reality I don't have a favorite. It's all Trek.
They wouldn't be changing anything.
All the DVDs would still be there.
They would simply be making it new again, IF they
ever get back around to TNG which I doubt.

I was speaking of In-Universe Changes, not the impossibility of DVD's suddenly winking out of existence. And it was a hypothetical question, to try and continue some kind of friendly conversation.
Things like re-shaping the E-D; Changing the uniforms (for the umpteenth time)...etc...

This version of the original cast and era is likely the
one that will be followed from now on until Trek ends.
By the time they would be finished with this era we would
be close to accomplishing a Trek like future anyways.

An assumption on your part... but I can work with that...

What makes you think (if this movie does well) that CBS wouldn't try to bring something back onto TV?

 

[trekkerguy]

An assumption on your part... but I can work with that...

What makes you think (if this movie does well) that CBS wouldn't try to bring something back onto TV?

They probably will, just more than likely something else in the nuTOs era, not a continuation of TNG.
For all intents and purposes, this nuTOS era is THE new Trek to continue on after in the future.


My point about the DVDs was that since I still have those... it really doesn't matter what they do in-Universe.
I'll probably like whatever it would be they decided to do to update it. And I don't have any particular desires in regards that.

I'm merely a fan. I don't see a huge profit in fretting over what those with the creative control do with it.
Maybe one day if any of us actually has some role in shaping the Trek future in some practical way, then I'll worry.
Until then, we get what we get and either like it or don't.

 

[DaveyNY]

An assumption on your part... but I can work with that...

What makes you think (if this movie does well) that CBS wouldn't try to bring something back onto TV?

They probably will, just more than likely something else in the nuTOs era, not a continuation of TNG.
For all intents and purposes, this nuTOS era is THE new Trek to continue on after in the future.

My original question was if TPTB WERE to redo TNG.
Do you think that Nu-Trek will follow right into Original TNG?


My point about the DVDs was that since I still have those... it really doesn't matter what they do in-Universe.
I'll probably like whatever it would be they decided to do to update it. And I don't have any particular desires in regards that.

I'm merely a fan. I don't see a huge profit in fretting over what those with the creative control do with it.
Maybe one day if any of us actually has some role in shaping the Trek future in some practical way, then I'll worry.
Until then, we get what we get and either like it or don't.

OK... well I wasn't asking you to frett... just speculate a little to carry on a conversation.

It seems to me that your passion for Trek at the moment appears to be waning a bit (perhaps because of the early hour on a Sunday morning?) so I guess I'll head off to bed.

It certainly was... interesting... chatting with you.

See ya 'round the BBS.

 

[trekkerguy]

OK... well I wasn't asking you to frett... just speculate a little to carry on a conversation.

It seems to me that your passion for Trek at the moment appears to be waning a bit (perhaps because of the early hour on a Sunday morning?) so I guess I'll head off to bed.

It certainly was... interesting... chatting with you.

See ya 'round the BBS.

Lol, naw. I've only been up since 11pm so I'm not tired in the slightest.
I've posted many times, I like Star Trek, all of it and for what it is.
So I don't really have any particulars I want to see change, or that I care
if they do change. People often mistake that for not being passionate
about it, but it's rather the opposite.

I am to the extent I just choose to enjoy it all.
Continuity, aesthetics and timelines are all secondary to whether
or not it is good Trek. And I havn't seen any bed Trek yet.
Every single episode and film, I love.

I think it would surely be nice to see what TNG updated looked like if TOS
updated looks as cool as it appears to in XI. But I don't have anything I
WANT changed, nor would I be annoyed about anything they decided to.

It's all good.

On to "Wolf In The Fold"...

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

...I also doubt that Trek Lore will die outright because of Trek XI, but it might bring about a lingering death for some folks.

I agree. In fact the people whose hobby it is to reconcile all of on-screen Star Trek into one coherent "Trek Lore" will be kept happily busy for several years to come because of this film and it sequels. (...and yes, I did mean it when I wrote "happily" busy)

 

[M'Sharak]

BTW: Embracing works best if it's used in both directions.

I like this.

 

[ufomacleod]

Well, when you're in charge of "Star Trek" if you think those are good ideas you can try them out and see how they fly with the audience.

Abrams is clearly going for an approach far more true and respectful of the original than what you're suggesting.

It doesn't seem like he's being true or respectful to the original from what I've seen. It seems like he's not even a fan of the franchise, so he's just tossing it to the wind and trying to make "MTV's Real World; Outer Space"

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Well, when you're in charge of "Star Trek" if you think those are good ideas you can try them out and see how they fly with the audience.

Abrams is clearly going for an approach far more true and respectful of the original than what you're suggesting.

It doesn't seem like he's being true or respectful to the original from what I've seen.

Then we disagree.

Until Abrams and company came along, "Star Trek" was dead. Now it's got a chance to return.

A few fans are going to be upset by whatever disregard for the "established Trek Universe" they perceive in the film. Most people will not notice and most who notice will not care - so much the worse for the few who do.

 

[Foxy]

I never had much of an issue with some things changing to suit the new story and still don't, it always happened with each series. But some of the changes we have seen so far just seem a little careless more than necessary.

I’m a fan of all the series and would like things to remain kinda right, but if there are more films or another series … going on the parallel universe idea that makes them think everything is ok it also gives them free control to changes anything and everything they want… that is the prospect I don’t like as it could go anywhere.

I still cant wait for this film to come out and agree that Star Trek was dead until this project kicked off and gave it a fresh feel, I just hope it doesn’t stray too much.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

BTW: Embracing works best if it's used in both directions.

I... don't really know what you're suggesting.

A reacharound.

 

[Ezri II]

Darn guys. The more you tell me about the show I can see the first midnight showing of the movie and tell people next to me. Oh this is the place that Kirk does this. They will look at me and say. This is the first time the public has seen the movie how do you know. I just tell them oh ya but you should have read about it.

 

[GothTrek]

Shouldn't the title read, "Trek canon is dead Jim! Thanx JJ!"

 

[seigezunt]

It's easy to accept changes when one doesn't have an entirety of a lifetime of involvement/devotion to the subject at hand.

I guess that could be true, but my entire life has been just that and from the beginning I have liked all the "changes".

Then you my friend, are a VERY UNIQUE Individual.

Very few people, willingly and immediately accept drastic changes to things in their life that they feel very close too.

I guess I'm also unique.



Longtime fan (since the early 70s), and can't wait for this movie...

 

[TrekGuide.com]

I grew up reading Marvel Comics, where the first reader to write in with a logical explanation for a continuity error in a story would receive a No-Prize™.

Why can't there be more Trek fans like that? Fans who love the stories so much, they actively work to overlook and explain away the continuity errors that will inevitably crop up after hundreds of stories by dozens of writers?

It seems a lot of people just head to these message boards simply to complain and call for the public executions of the producers du jour of "Star Trek."

I would think that the original fans back in the '70s, before the movies and the Web, who wrote their own fanzines and fan fiction on typewriters, and organized their own fan conventions, were more universally fond of "Star Trek" as a series, despite monumentally stupid episodes like "Spock's Brain" and "The Alternative Factor" and the one with the space hippies. Maybe there were a lot of heated and angry debates like "Vulcan vs. Vulcanian" or "Season Three Wasn't Canon," but i doubt it.

I think the anonymity of the Web breeds a whole generation of people who enjoy nitpicking and critizing the work of others, without fear of repercussions. Just like everyone with a cell-phone is now a photographer, everyone with a 'blog is a journalist, and everyone with a TrekBBS account is a movie critic.

I don't think "Star Trek" is getting any worse, or the producers care less about it than they did 40 years ago. It's just getting harder to please the "LOL OMG" generation.

 

[Therin of Andor]

If you love TOS so much (and I'm not implying that you don't) how is it that you can be so cavalier about it being reinvented??

I love TOS, although TAS and TMP came first for me and I had to play catch up on TOS, always being told by "first fandom" that I'd missed the golden years.

Do you really have invested feelings toward it?

You bet!

But, I also love 60s TV "Batman", the 1989 movie version and "The Dark Knight".

I also love "The Adventures of Superman", "Superman: The Movie", quite enjoy "Lois and Clark" and "Smallville" - and love "Superman Returns"!

For some of Us who've been with it from the beginning (and many throughout the years) it's become inspirational in OUR lives, and that may be something you may not understand.

This new movie takes away none of that. TOS remains inspirational for me but I can't wait for ST to start pulling in young audiences again.

 

[xortex]

If you love TOS so much (and I'm not implying that you don't) how is it that you can be so cavalier about it being reinvented??

I love TOS, although TAS and TMP came first for me and I had to play catch up on TOS, always being told by "first fandom" that I'd missed the golden years.

Do you really have invested feelings toward it?

You bet!

But, I also love 60s TV "Batman", the 1989 movie version and "The Dark Knight".

I also love "The Adventures of Superman", "Superman: The Movie", quite enjoy "Lois and Clark" and "Smallville" - and love "Superman Returns"!

For some of Us who've been with it from the beginning (and many throughout the years) it's become inspirational in OUR lives, and that may be something you may not understand.

This new movie takes away none of that. TOS remains inspirational for me but I can't wait for ST to start pulling in young audiences again.

Didn't you love the wild, wild west ? They screwed Mission Impossible up. Now their playing fast and loose with restarting TOS when I don't think for story reasons, it was neccessary. Now I like the bridge, the actors, the ship is a little lame in the nacelles but that could change. None of that will make the story any better or worse, though but I think I like it better. Certainly there's alot more much needed action behind the camera and in front of it. So that's not the problem. I like the reimagining but most of the money should have went to commissioning stories and inside information.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

I like the reimagining but most of the money should have went to commissioning stories and inside information.

How do you know it didn't?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

You have never seen and will never see a big budget motion picture where "most of the money went to commissioning stories."

It's hard to determine what the most money ever paid for a screenplay has been, but the best information I can come up with is about five million dollars for "Deja Vu" in 2006. That may have been passed, and if anyone has a more recent record holder please post it - but whatever it is, I'll be shocked if it's up to eight figures yet.

In any event, "Deja Vu" must be one of the most intelligent, thoughtful, mature and moving films ever made...that just follows from the fact that the writers were paid so much, right?