Trek 11... here are the "stars"....
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You might wish to reconsider your post... and consider the proper business position Paramount has... a dollar potentially gained, but not, is a still a loss.
Paramount stands to lose hundreds of millions of dollars if they can't keep the franchise alive... and a failed Trek 11 will almost certainly kill the franchise.
Paramount, in fact, has a LOT to lose.
I agree in part, I would prefer to see a new trek that hits the ground running with no boring backstory; just give us a new episode and jump right in; no explanation needed.
As for Abrams and the new direction and the Prequel connection, change is needed and they could do worse than to copy Star Wars in a few ways. (Not in dialogue)
The truth is that most household DVD libraries include the Prequel Trilogy. There are still PREQUEL related Star Wars toys on the shelves right now. There are still prequel related shows being produced right now.
Whereas no one wanted to watch the latest Treks. The recent Trek shows have failed on every level, these film franchises are more than just a 2 hour movie.
Star Trek can profit in so many areas, but it's failed.
Toys: fail
Merchendise: fail
Games: fail
DVD sales: fail
Overseas Theater: fail
Domestic Theater Attendance: fail
critics: failed
fans: failed
renewed interest from younger fans: fail
Star Wars
toys: success
merchendise: success
critics: mixed
fans: mixed
overseas: success
games: success
DVD sales: success
Theater attendance: success
renewed interest from younger fans: success
The problem with Enterprise had nothing to do with it being a prequel: that should have been the fun of it! Every episode should have been like the tribbles episode from DS9.
Most? Dear me.
Show me numbers, in context.
One of the aspects of "Star Trek" that is and always has been pretty satisfying to the studio is the home video sell-through of Trek product whether on videotape, LaserDisc or DVD.
The possibility that the SW prequels are popular mediocre crap doesn't alter their character as mediocre crap.
Sure, parody thread for a parody movie.
Given there's only 7 or so basic dramatic plots to begin with - please name me a recent film that ISN'T a mish-mash of storylines that have been done ad-nausem. The thing that will make this movie hit or miss will be it's overall presentation and execution of those story elements. NOT the overall story elements by themselves.
We've had 41 years of 'Star Trek' stories that hav covered everything from mankind's first steps into interstellar space, empire building/maintaining, interstellar war, time travel, creating a new world out of cosmic dust, meeting 'god', etc. It's kind of hard at thias point to come up with something truely 'out of the box' original at this point for Star Trek.
Again, I would say ALL the Star Trek films have generally had interesting concepts and ideas behind them; where the later Star Trek films have failed was in the presentation and execution of those ideas on screen.
But some of us here do... it IS a publicly-traded company after all... and anyone who's a shareholder DOES have a stake. So, yeah, I consider this to be pertinent. I'll bet I'm not the only one (though I may own a bit more than the average TrekBBS poster).
This is a parody movie? That's too bad. I was looking forward to it. . .
That's what they said about Nemesis. Star Trek is pretty much a religion at this point, it will never go away permanently. Best case scenario: The movie makes more money than all previous Trek films (my prediction) and we will either see a TV series based upon it, or another series of movies.
Worst case scenario (which may also be the best case scenario): The movie tanks, Trek goes away for 5-10 years until people are hungry for it again, then we'll see another movie, series, etc.
The key is fresh blood. You can't have the same writers keep rehashing the same things over and over again. At some point, they reach burnout stage and the stories get ridiculous.
Regarding the no-name nature of the cast, Richard Arnold said they were already talking about future films after this one. Having the core characters played by relatively unknown actors is a great benefit in this regard.
Besides, considering the first seven films featured a star nominated for a Razzie as Worst Actor of the Decade, this cast already enjoys one significant advantage...
Besides, considering the first seven films featured a star nominated for a Razzie as Worst Actor of the Decade, this cast already enjoys one significant advantage...
I'm not convinced the lack of A-list stars will doom the movie. Non-Trek fans wouldn't be drawn to the film if Crowe, Hanks, or even Denzel were in it. If they don't like Trek than nothing will bring them to the theater.
The script will make this movie and how JJ pulls it together. This core of actors could really jell and make this one of the best. We'll have to wait and see.
The script will make this movie and how JJ pulls it together. This core of actors could really jell and make this one of the best. We'll have to wait and see.
That's a new way of putting it...
Remote desert location.
"Worst case scenario (which may also be the best case scenario): The movie tanks, Trek goes away for 5-10 years until people are hungry for it again, then we'll see another movie, series, etc."
Nemesis and Enterprise already flopped. So the Worst Case Scenario TM has already happened.
and...
Star Trek XI should still flop!?
Oh...its not the reboot/remake that was wanted so Star Trek XI must flop...so we will get...
New Voyages? TNG continued? Voyager Continued? Titan? Post Nemesis something something?
Nemesis and Enterprise already flopped. So the Worst Case Scenario TM has already happened.
and...
Star Trek XI should still flop!?
Oh...its not the reboot/remake that was wanted so Star Trek XI must flop...so we will get...
New Voyages? TNG continued? Voyager Continued? Titan? Post Nemesis something something?
There is no new Ground Breaking storylines in most entertainment today. Most issues have been dealt with one way or another. Why should you expect Trek to have new Groundbreaking material? It aint gonna happen. I have yet to see anything "groundbreaking" or "original" in any movie or tv program storytelling in the last several years. Its the execution that hopefully will be a little more original and different.
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