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In the TNG episode Unnatural Selection (where they fix up Pulaski using the transporter), they don't explicitly say it, but the way they talk about it makes me think they could create someone from just a pattern, but it would just be a lifeless body.
That seems to be basically what Picard says to Holo-Moriarty as well about why he can't live outside of the holodeck.

It seems to me that Picard just said to Moriarty whatever he wanted to hear to make him agree to be put back into storage indefinitely which in the end is exactly what they did to him. I wonder what happened to the moriarty box when Entreprise D crashed. Did they bother retrieving it?
 
Data compression.
A valid and key point, but again we are discussing silly psuedo-science created to conform to budget constraints. I am perfectly fine with the transporter - it works, its distinctive, but it has some serious issues that apparently "in-universe" have been solved but in reality would be rather fatal to the concept.
 
Irrelevant. Those are scientific measurements and coordinates not pixels or sounds that can only be compressed because you tolerate some degradation at the threshold of your perception.

True. On the other hand, it has been known for a letter to be folded to put it through a letter box, and these guys have warp drives and fully sentient androids. Probably quantum computers and crazy stuff too. What if they are simply putting everything into an energy state that reverts almost naturally to its original form? Like memory metal or dehydrated stuff, it just needs a nudge to go back the way it needs to be...we see similar tech with dermal regenerators, kidney growing pills...it would explain why there's so little need for a receiver at the other end. Just throwing it in there.
 
It seems to me that Picard just said to Moriarty whatever he wanted to hear to make him agree to be put back into storage indefinitely which in the end is exactly what they did to him. I wonder what happened to the moriarty box when Entreprise D crashed. Did they bother retrieving it?

In the books they did. I think Reg Barclay had it for a while.
 
In the TNG episode Unnatural Selection (where they fix up Pulaski using the transporter), they don't explicitly say it, but the way they talk about it makes me think they could create someone from just a pattern, but it would just be a lifeless body.
That seems to be basically what Picard says to Holo-Moriarty as well about why he can't live outside of the holodeck.

That's pretty much exactly how the holodecks were posited to work in the TNG tech manual. Things you touch are physically real, but basically puppets and props. Replicated food too, but no one talks about that in Voyager much. The things you see and don't touch are meant to be light projections basically. (Photonics)
 
That's pretty much exactly how the holodecks were posited to work in the TNG tech manual. Things you touch are physically real, but basically puppets and props. Replicated food too, but no one talks about that in Voyager much. The things you see and don't touch are meant to be light projections basically. (Photonics)

True, they call them photonics on Voyager but on the enterprise when Wesley leaves the holodeck after having plunged into water, he remains wet.
 
True, they call them photonics on Voyager but on the enterprise when Wesley leaves the holodeck after having plunged into water, he remains wet.

At that point, the way the writers thought about the holodeck, (and in part why it's a holodeck and not a holoroom by name) that is because the water is real, and makes for a better piece of tech wow.
 
So I was really thinking about this yesterday. What is "you." Setting aside for a moment this idea of a spirit. It seems clear that "you" are not any individual component of your body. So how much could be removed before you stopped being you? If I split you physically in half both sides still living and thinking which one would be you?

If you were disassembled cell by cell until half of you was gone and then that half reassembled in another location. you would have the same situation, split i n two. Then what if the other half the transported the same way. You are now whole again but are you still you? Is the necessity for being considered "you" just the presence of a contiguous thought process?

This topic is so bizarre.

About holodecks:

There was the snowball thrown out of the holodeck that hit Picard. There were those characters that left the holodeck and slowly disappears starting at the feet.
 
So I was really thinking about this yesterday. What is "you." Setting aside for a moment this idea of a spirit. It seems clear that "you" are not any individual component of your body. So how much could be removed before you stopped being you? If I split you physically in half both sides still living and thinking which one would be you?

If you were disassembled cell by cell until half of you was gone and then that half reassembled in another location. you would have the same situation, split i n two. Then what if the other half the transported the same way. You are now whole again but are you still you? Is the necessity for being considered "you" just the presence of a contiguous thought process?

This topic is so bizarre.

About holodecks:

There was the snowball thrown out of the holodeck that hit Picard. There were those characters that left the holodeck and slowly disappears starting at the feet.

If you are nothing but a product of your combined genetics, experiences, influences and memories, then an identical living copy, regardless if fully "original" or not, should contain just as much of the uniqueness of what makes you *you*.... your essence, the important parts of individuality.... survive surely.
 
your reply mad me thinkmof the explosion seen in the other guys when mark walberg exclaims : no way everything in star wars was real :)i also take your reply to supprt totally could take over the enterprise with a teleporter army lol
 
If you are nothing but a product of your combined genetics, experiences, influences and memories, then an identical living copy, regardless if fully "original" or not, should contain just as much of the uniqueness of what makes you *you*.... your essence, the important parts of individuality.... survive surely.
well isnt your psyche set like at a ridiculous young age : my point at some point in aging doesnt your brain just become a storage of useless junk
 
If you are nothing but a product of your combined genetics, experiences, influences and memories, then an identical living copy, regardless if fully "original" or not, should contain just as much of the uniqueness of what makes you *you*.... your essence, the important parts of individuality.... survive surely.
If the first copy made of someone after he's been disintegrated is really him then what of the second copy?
 
i would like to say very excited about the calibre of discussion on this topic : i know its kind of a light hearted topic but take time and read theough it if you havent there are some really great posts from people
 
i would like to say very excited about the calibre of discussion on this topic : i know its kind of a light hearted topic but take time and read theough it if you havent there are some really great posts from people

Well, most posters do great posts and that's what makes this forum worthwhile.
 
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