T'Pol's emotions opposed to Spock's

[Anna Yolei]

T'Pol's addiction didn't make any sense. It was supposed to help her experience emotions? Did they forget she's a TOUCH TELEPATH? She was already getting that from doing neuropressure on Trip. It didn't just cheapen her, Phlox was negligent for letting her back on duty so fast.

All of this.

Phlox I can handwave as they were in the middle of an emergency with one-fourth of the crew dead. They needed all the able bodied people they could get who weren't physically damaged. It happens a lot in war.

Story wise, tying her emotional journey so tightly around Trip did her not the pairing any favours. I don't say that to kick up the remnants of the decade-old hornet's nest, but it always came across to me as a lazy way to get them together, and that was crap that didn't need to be added to make that happen or plausible for the fans that already supported the couple.

 

[locutus101]

All of this.

Phlox I can handwave as they were in the middle of an emergency with one-fourth of the crew dead. They needed all the able bodied people they could get who weren't physically damaged. It happens a lot in war.

Story wise, tying her emotional journey so tightly around Trip did her not the pairing any favours. I don't say that to kick up the remnants of the decade-old hornet's nest, but it always came across to me as a lazy way to get them together, and that was crap that didn't need to be added to make that happen or plausible for the fans that already supported the couple.

Truth be told I felt from the start that these two might get together at one point or another, after that first scene in decontamination.

 

[Anna Yolei]

That pairing wasn't my cup of tea during the first run, but the killer Bs weren't subtle about which direction they were going in.

 

[Willow]

That pairing wasn't my cup of tea during the first run, but the killer Bs weren't subtle about which direction they were going in.

They weren't my cup of tea either , at first. But Connor and Jolene did well enough with the material , IMO, that I actually became a "shipper" at one point. Howver, that initial sex scene was just so gratuitous and out of left field, that it turned me off.

The big interest for me in that scene was how Trip was trying to come to grips with his clone, and how it led to him questioning his own feelings.

 

[Anna Yolei]

Funny you mentioned that episode, because that was actually why I re-registered here. I wanted spoilers about whether they were gonna do it And then Harbinger was, to put it mildly, a letdown. Brian Setzer was a guest judge on American Idol at the same time and I was REALLY livid that I skipped that for this episode.

Ah, to be a teenager again....

 

[Willow]

Funny you mentioned that episode, because that was actually why I re-registered here. I wanted spoilers about whether they were gonna do it And then Harbinger was, to put it mildly, a letdown. Brian Setzer was a guest judge on American Idol at the same time and I was REALLY livid that I skipped that for this episode.

Ah, to be a teenager again....

I actually think the best part of that episode for me was the dressing down Archer gave Reed and Hayes for their ridiculous macho "posturing"

 

[T'Nara]

And then Harbinger was, to put it mildly, a letdown. Brian Setzer was a guest judge on American Idol at the same time and I was REALLY livid that I skipped that for this episode.

I actually think the best part of that episode for me was the dressing down Archer gave Reed and Hayes for their ridiculous macho "posturing"

Although I quite like the pairing of T'Pol and Trip, I remember Harbinger mostly for the Hayes-Reed interaction. And yes, I too think the dressing down Archer gave to them as the best part of the episode.

 

[locutus101]

T'Pol's emotions were due to trillium-d poisoning, Spock's to his human side.

There you have it.

 

[T'Nara]

T'Pol's emotions were due to trillium-d poisoning, Spock's to his human side.

There you have it.

But T'Pol's own mum said that T'Pol's emotion has always been near the surface (i.e. even before the addiction).
I guess just like humans are different from each other, Vulcans are also different from each other. Some are more emotional than others, some more able to control the emotions, some not. V'Las is an example of the very emotional one.

 

[locutus101]

But T'Pol's own mum said that T'Pol's emotion has always been near the surface (i.e. even before the addiction).
I guess just like humans are different from each other, Vulcans are also different from each other. Some are more emotional than others, some more able to control the emotions, some not. V'Las is an example of the very emotional one.

I guess T'Pol's potential emotionality is what made her curious and get addicted in the first place. Archer also said that until her no Vulcan had lasted on a human ship more than a couple of weeks. Also likely due to her curiosity about emotion which most Vulcans lack.

 

[T'Nara]

I guess T'Pol's potential emotionality is what made her curious and get addicted in the first place. Archer also said that until her no Vulcan had lasted on a human ship more than a couple of weeks. Also likely due to her curiosity about emotion which most Vulcans lack.

A good theory I agree with

 

[locutus101]

A good theory I agree with

Thank you.

 

[Kahless the Unforgettable]

As a half-breed, Spock (the real Spock, not the abomination that has his name in the recent movies) strove to live up to the Vulcan ideal. He felt he had to be more Vulcan than a Vulcan in order to be accepted as one. Sure he's slipped a few times, but by and large he goes out of his way to be the poster child of his father's people.

I mean, of all the Vulcans we've ever seen (at least the ones that come to mind; there may be an outlier or two) with the possible exception of T'Pau, they've all been rather emotional or illogical. Even Sarek decided to marry a human woman and breed with her. That alone makes his attitudes towards Spock in his first appearance both illogical and emotional in that he's being a colossal hypocrite.

TLDR: Spock works harder at being a Vulcan.

 

[locutus101]

As a half-breed, Spock (the real Spock, not the abomination that has his name in the recent movies) strove to live up to the Vulcan ideal. He felt he had to be more Vulcan than a Vulcan in order to be accepted as one. Sure he's slipped a few times, but by and large he goes out of his way to be the poster child of his father's people.

I mean, of all the Vulcans we've ever seen (at least the ones that come to mind; there may be an outlier or two) with the possible exception of T'Pau, they've all been rather emotional or illogical. Even Sarek decided to marry a human woman and breed with her. That alone makes his attitudes towards Spock in his first appearance both illogical and emotional in that he's being a colossal hypocrite.

TLDR: Spock works harder at being a Vulcan.

Pretty much like Worf with his human upbringing works harder than any Klingon at being an Ideal Klingon (at least in his mind). He's even blind to the corruption that surrounds him and it takes Ezri Dax to make him finally see things as they are.

 

[Anna Yolei]

Indeed, Tuvok is the only example I can think of in Star Trek who is a regular Vulcan. He's got nothing to prove to the human crew or to Vulcans in general and the only notable time that he breaks from being Vulcan is when he had an accident that ducked with the logic centers of his mind.

 

[locutus101]

Indeed, Tuvok is the only example I can think of in Star Trek who is a regular Vulcan. He's got nothing to prove to the human crew or to Vulcans in general and the only notable time that he breaks from being Vulcan is when he had an accident that ducked with the logic centers of his mind.

True, we also learn that Tuvok has had two Starfleet careers separated by a few decades and that the first time he enlisted to indulge his parents that insisted that he did. He hated it there then and resigned. He came back the second time of his own accord.

 

[Willow]

Indeed, Tuvok is the only example I can think of in Star Trek who is a regular Vulcan. He's got nothing to prove to the human crew or to Vulcans in general and the only notable time that he breaks from being Vulcan is when he had an accident that ducked with the logic centers of his mind.

Is Soval not a regular Viulcan?

 

[T'Nara]

As a half-breed, Spock (the real Spock, not the abomination that has his name in the recent movies) strove to live up to the Vulcan ideal. He felt he had to be more Vulcan than a Vulcan in order to be accepted as one. Sure he's slipped a few times, but by and large he goes out of his way to be the poster child of his father's people.

I mean, of all the Vulcans we've ever seen (at least the ones that come to mind; there may be an outlier or two) with the possible exception of T'Pau, they've all been rather emotional or illogical. Even Sarek decided to marry a human woman and breed with her. That alone makes his attitudes towards Spock in his first appearance both illogical and emotional in that he's being a colossal hypocrite.

TLDR: Spock works harder at being a Vulcan.

Yes, and this, Spock trying hard to prove himself a Vulcan, is the main subject of a novel 'Child of Two Worlds' by Greg Cox.

 

[locutus101]

Yes, and this, Spock trying hard to prove himself a Vulcan, is the main subject of a novel 'Child of Two Worlds' by Greg Cox.

I don't think he was bullied as a child though, that's something human children do, not Vulcan.

 

[Kahless the Unforgettable]

Sarek provided all the bullying needed to justify Spock's desire to live up to the Vulcan ideal.