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Toy Story 4 being made with John Lasseter as director

It's not just that Toy Story 4 is an unnecessary sequel, but that Pixar has been going to the "series" well more and more after a string of successful original films. Since Toy Story 3 we've had Cars 2 and Monsters University; 2016 is Finding Dory, 2017 is now Toy Story 4, and they've also been gestating Incredibles 2 and Cars 3. Was Brave perfect? No, but it was a different story than they'd told before, and not a guaranteed hit.

2015 has two original films, Inside Out and The Good Dinosaur, with another three untitled films in development. Pixar's still making original films, and the success of the sequels probably help keep them stable in case one of the original films flops.
 
Well that's no surprise. Hopefully they have a good idea behind Toy Story 4 and it's not just some soulless cash grab.

I do think Pixar has become a bit too reliant on sequels/prequels etc. these days, especially when up until Cars 2 in 2011 their only sequels were the two Toy Story ones. Titles like "Finding Dory" hardly inspire confidence.

It's becoming a bit like Disney back in the day when they produced an avalanche of direct-to-video "cheapquels" to just about every Disney animated film ever just for a quick buck.
 
True, but Finding Dory sounds as if it could work. I'm still surprised there has not been a follow up to A Bugs Life.

I'm not against sequels as long as they are good. I loved Cars (I know it was hardly original, but it had heart) but Cars 2 was an empty experience. Another film set in Radiator Springs dealing with, amongst other things, the loss of Doc Hudson would have been much better.

I do think Pixar has lost some direction. Going back to what they used to do well may well set them back on track...
 
Aside from the first Toy Story, I was never a big Pixar fan. Most of the films people like are way to cloying for my taste. The characters also over-emote.

If I have to hear Nemo's dad scream "Neeemooo" one more time it will be too soon
 
Was Brave perfect? No, but it was a different story than they'd told before, and not a guaranteed hit.
Eh, it was a Disney-backed CG princess movie with the Pixar brand name; it would've had to have been pretty disastrous to not break even.

... And now the cynic in me is amused at the thought that maybe Disney execs screened a rough cut of Inside Out, and ordered this TS4 in a flop sweat of sheer panic. :rommie:
 
Opening scene is Andy backing up his car, saying "I'M NOT LETTING YOU GUYS GO" and ripping the toys out of Bonnie's hands.
 
You know, people were just as skeptical about the second and third movies before they came out. But they both surprised us.
You're right, but with both of those films, they built thematically very on each other, particular the third film with Jessie's fears coming true for Andy's toys. The third film was the perfect conclusion for a trilogy that had a very strong beginning, middle and end.

That being said, I trust John Lasseter may actually have a good story to follow the trilogy. My problem is I don't see the need for it.

Cars 2 and Monsters University weren't needed (although I maintain the latter did work, although not with quite the same charm). Finding Dory does sound interesting and The Incredibles 2 is the one Pixar film aside from Toy Story that I felt like a sequel is called for.
 
Was Brave perfect? No, but it was a different story than they'd told before, and not a guaranteed hit.
Eh, it was a Disney-backed CG princess movie with the Pixar brand name; it would've had to have been pretty disastrous to not break even.

Seriously? Brave was the anti-Disney-princess movie. It was about rejecting the Disney/fairy-tale ideal that a princess's -- or a prince's -- highest goal in life is to find true love. It was about standing up and defying conventional expectations and being true to yourself. (In fact, one can easily interpret Merida as lesbian and the story as a challenge to heteronormative expectations.)
 
Seriously? Brave was the anti-Disney-princess movie. It was about rejecting the Disney/fairy-tale ideal that a princess's -- or a prince's -- highest goal in life is to find true love. It was about standing up and defying conventional expectations and being true to yourself.
That last sentence applies to pretty much every Disney princess from Jasmine on, doesn't it?


(In fact, one can easily interpret Merida as lesbian and the story as a challenge to heteronormative expectations.)
Okay, but I doubt many children were begging their parents to take them to Brave because Merida might not be straight, and because they were longing for a subversion of Disney's traditional heteronormative expectations. They were sold a movie about a feisty, athletic young princess. Pocahantas was athletic. Every princess from Jasmine on (who also rejected lots of suitors) has been feisty. So you'll forgive me if I'm not blown away by the subversion here.
 
Okay, but I doubt many children were begging their parents to take them to Brave because Merida might not be straight, and because they were longing for a subversion of Disney's traditional heteronormative expectations.

Well, of course. The whole point of subversion is that it's sneaky, that it's not what you expect going in. If it were blatantly advertised up front, it wouldn't be effective as a subversive message. The sub- part means "under," after all -- as in slipped in under the radar. To subvert is to undermine, to dig in below something in order to weaken it. Brave superficially looked like just another Disney princess movie, but its meaning was in the way it overturned those expectations. Merida was being pushed into the conventional Disney-princess mode of finding her Prince Charming and marrying him and living happily ever after, and she defied that and tore down the whole assumption that a woman needs a husband in order to be fulfilled.

I mean, even the more recent, empowered Disney princesses you're trying to compare her to end up with their true loves at the end (at least the ones I'm familiar with). I love Rapunzel's independence, for instance, but she still ends up marrying Flynn, and the story is about her seeking the freedom to find true love. Merida goes through the whole movie without encountering a single male character who's remotely worthy of her affections, and she ends the movie happily single. The real love story in the movie, the story of two people finding each other and building a lasting, fulfilling relationship, is between Merida and her mother.

(It may be that Frozen defies the pattern as well; I may be the one person who hasn't seen it, but I gather it's more about the relationship between two sisters than about romance, though there is a romantic subplot. But Brave came before it.)
 
Brave superficially looked like just another Disney princess movie
And that's exactly why I said "it was a Disney-backed CG princess movie with the Pixar brand name; it would've had to have been pretty disastrous to not break even." I was talking mainly about marketing and its effect on the target audience there rather the movie itself - a point which you quite galloped over. ;)
 
^Okay, if that's what you were talking about in your first post, then I misconstrued your point there. But I still disagree completely with your comments in post #31. It's contradictory to say a story isn't subversive because it doesn't look that way on the surface. The surface is not where you look for subversion, by definition.
 
I'm fine with them making a 4th (and a 5th and a 6th). The last trilogy was the perfect ending, but we all love these characters. Nothing will stop that and now we can start a new trilogy of adventures with the new girl.
 
This movie should be treated like a reboot of the franchise. New toys, new owner. Toy Story 3 was the perfect ending for those characters (hi, I'm a 30-year old man, and Toy Story 3 had me in tears). Toy Story is inherently a series that could go on forever, but Buzz and Woody should be set aside in favor of new toys.
 
Not really that surprised, they've had a few shorts and a TV special that took place after the third one so there's probably one more story to tell.
 
After they put out crud like Ratatouille, Cars 2, Brave and Monsters U., I can see the rationale - all three Toy Story films have been good. Another one's a relatively safe bet...

What's wrong with Brave?

Yeah, I love Brave. :bolian:

Ok, it may not be a personal favourite, but I'll give Brave a pass. I understand that it wasn't as successful as other Pixars though.

I hated Ratatouille, Cars 2 was crap and I switched off the bluray halfway through Monsters Uni. and haven't watched the rest...
 
I didn't like Ratatouille, thought Brave was ok and while I thought Cars 1 was ok I've never had any desire to watch the sequel. Monsters University, however, I liked. Monsters Inc was always the weakest Pixar film for me (even weaker than Ratatouille, although from what I've seen Cars 2 beats both of them by being outright bad) but MU was entertaining. It wasn't amazing by any stretch, and in some ways its an average "school" movie, but I liked the characters better and the story managed to entertain me instead of generally bore me like MI did. Its far from my favorite Pixar movie, but I do think MU was a solid, if not anywhere close to spectacular, movie.
 
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