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TOS' worst episode.

I mentioned Cloud Minders. It has some good elements, but big, strange problems too. Look at W Shatner, first scene. He's only half-acting, and seems surly and is just barely hiding it? Throughout, he gives the impression of only being half there, as if ST was just cancelled and he's mentally on his way out the door, already.

What's a planet like that doing in the Federation?

Spock's way out of character, doing a voiceover implying he's falling in love with what's her name, and uses pon farr, that deeply personal matter, for small talk...

I remember reading about this scene and couldn't accept it as I'd never seen it before back in the 80s until I realised it was one of the many chunks deleted by the BBC throughout their Trek screenings! First time I saw it was on the DVDs!
JB
 
My 3rd season ratings.

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By comparison what I think is STNG's worst season, Season 2.

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There are certainly a few bad episodes but I think the worst by far is "Spock's Brain" followed by "That Which Survives".
 
The Cloud Minders, definitely. Starfleet is all about helping the plantation owners keep those pesky slaves from revolting?? What?

I can forgive bad acting, plot holes, or bogus science, but a message like that... no way.
 
The Cloud Minders is very similar to the state of the UK these days with the rich elite living in luxury and the poor toiling in the factories and warehouses and having their rights taken away from them! Only thing is we haven't got a hero figure like Captain Kirk to change the status quo!
JB
 
Yes, it's official "The Empath" is THE worst episode. I can watch every other episode of Kirk's era, except this one. Watched a few episodes yesterday and I intentionally got up to find other things to do. That is the only episode I have that reaction to. So yep. The debate is over. "The Empath" is the worst.
The Empath commits the crime of being boring and repetitive, with a poorly thought out story, so gets my vote too.

Many of the other "bad" episodes mentioned (Alternative Factor, Mark of Gideon etc) at least have an interesting concept behind them, even if it wasn't best realised.

I still tend to think the Federation/Starfleet was in cahoots with the Gideons. Kirk was on a holodeck recreation probably supplied by a secret Section 31 agent that was assigned to the Enterprise for the occasion! :lol:
After yet more threads about this in the last 12 months, I definitely think Kirk was the Federation patsy in this episode. Or even if not, there's still plenty to discuss and throw around various theories (I do not subscribe to the holodeck solution, for example). A truly bad episode will offer none of this.
 
Has there ever been a follow up book to Mark of Gideon that puts the Federation in cahoots with the Gideons?
 
The Cloud Minders, definitely. Starfleet is all about helping the plantation owners keep those pesky slaves from revolting?? What?

I can forgive bad acting, plot holes, or bogus science, but a message like that... no way.
That certainly isn't the story's message.
 
Well, no, the message isn't pro-elite, but how likely is it that the nature of their society had gone totally unnoticed by the Federation government, until "now"? Yet we can't have a corrupt Federation in ST. That's the problem with the writing.
 
After a many year hiatus, I finally got around to watching "Spock's Brain" again. Such an impossible episode, but I do have to give it kudos for its surreal and macabre nature. As a kid, imagining the brain surgery from McCoy's perspective with an exposed brain and a fully conscious and literally blind patient talking a doctor through his own brain surgery is what nightmares are made from.
 
Indeed - all it needed was a rewrite or two to tighten up the second half and remove some of the goofiness.
If only; if only....
 
After a many year hiatus, I finally got around to watching "Spock's Brain" again. Such an impossible episode, but I do have to give it kudos for its surreal and macabre nature. As a kid, imagining the brain surgery from McCoy's perspective with an exposed brain and a fully conscious and literally blind patient talking a doctor through his own brain surgery is what nightmares are made from.
Yes, That ep only works if you're willing to let your imagination be stimulated, to see things they're not actually showing us. The surgery was interesting but less horrific to me, since we were being shepherded through it by Spock, who didn't seem all that concerned... Effective for horror purposes, for me, were the Sickbay scene and first appearance of Spock's body on the planet, because they told me there was no brain in that skull, and being an imaginative child, who had grown to trust the makers of Star Trek, I believed it. I needed no dark, scary music or underlighting or dry ice, I looked at that head and knew it was empty, and was horrified. Not so I wet myself or anything, but it was very willing suspension of disbelief.
 
Of course, any slight suspension of disbelief fell apart when Spock hopped up and started talking the priestess' ear off.
 
I felt Spock's Brain has something to say about advancing technology might lead to dumbing down. Just think how with Wiki, Google etcetera one can find out things that only an expert would have known a few years ago. Anyone with a chess app on their mobile phone can 'play' chess as well as any human in history. If some accident like a solar electromagnetic event happened we might find that humanity had lost a lot of the skills that it once had. Then those with access to the few remaining computers might be considered as great sages of special power and the access to them might be highly restricted.
It's a glorious moment when McCoy says 'It's so simple a child could do it' referring to replacing Spock's Brain. So on the other hand the episode talks about the untapped power of the brain both human and Vulcan.
 
In my opinion(I don't know if anyone shares it) it's important to remember that Spock's Brain was written and shot as a comedy, albeit one with a macabre twist, and Fred Freiberger, as showrunner, wouldn't let them edit it to reflect that. If he had, we would all probably have more respect for it.
 
Well FF certainly seemed determined not to have any straight up "comedy" episodes during his tenure - perhaps he felt the 3 from Season 2 were more than enough?
 
In my opinion(I don't know if anyone shares it) it's important to remember that Spock's Brain was written and shot as a comedy, albeit one with a macabre twist, and Fred Freiberger, as showrunner, wouldn't let them edit it to reflect that. If he had, we would all probably have more respect for it.
This is a complete fan myth. "Spock's Brain" was not written or ever intended as a comedy.
 
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