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TOS: Savage Trade by Tony Daniel Review Thread (Spoilers!)

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Not really. The end game is set up in the last couple chapters, and the stuff you're focusing on in the beginning is mostly dropped or ignored. What's the resolution to the pirates and the 'not quite dead' slaver culture? After exploring it, what's the payoff? Random new baddie instead, not even partially related to what they were working on.
 
Not really. The end game is set up in the last couple chapters, and the stuff you're focusing on in the beginning is mostly dropped or ignored. What's the resolution to the pirates and the 'not quite dead' slaver culture? After exploring it, what's the payoff? Random new baddie instead, not even partially related to what they were working on.

I tend to agree with this.
 
While I'd like to see a resolution to the slaver/pirate mystery, the fact that the Demiurge entered the stage comparatively late is no issue for me.

After all, do all novels and stories have to follow the same pattern? Real doesn't follow a script either, and that includes the sudden appearance of things and people nobody would've expected. So, why not shake up the setting a bit by suddenly adding another element. Imho
 
Doesn't make for a satisfying or unified story, though. In real life, sudden random things happen, but you're telling a somewhat larger story there, doesn't have to fit a narrative.

With a book, you should have a little bit more of a story to tell, and a plan for it. Plot shouldn't show up in the last chapter of a book and quickly be defeated, and sucks to waste so much time setting up some interesting things to just abandon them when the payoff should be coming.

Or dump that stuff and spread out the story behind the demiurge throughout more of the story, slowly cut in parts of Yarnek's culture and their progress. Just felt disjointed and out of left field, which isn't a cohesive narrative. It didn't build up to anything. Just told us a bunch of stuff, then dropped it in favor of (uh, and then they fought this random bad guy and won, the end). Had plenty of good parts, just didn't hang well
 
Well, the first thing I noticed was that it's verbose. And (alluding to the most common admonition to beginning writers of fiction) that it "tells" things it should be "showing."

And it wastes far too much verbage on things the typical reader would already know. Consider: The Harry Potter franchise is only 16 years old, comprising seven novels, all of which have been made into movies, and perhaps a few reference works, and yet even though I've quite literally never read a HP book, nor seen more than maybe a few short clips of any of the HP movies, I'm hip to the basic characters and concepts. Star Wars has been around for less than 40 years, and yet that, too, is part of worldwide popular culture. I've never seen a single episode (or even a clip of an episode of Doctor Who, and yet I know that The Doctor is a "Time Lord," a powerful alien being who periodically "regenerates" into a new body (an ingenious way of giving the actors playing him an opportunity to retire without major distruptions to the series continuity).

Star Trek has been around for close to five decades, almost as long as Doctor Who (and arguably in much wider distribution), and is at least as deeply embedded in worldwide popular culture, to the point where you would almost have to be living in a pre-steam culture not to at least know who Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Scotty, Sulu, and Chekov are.

The first chapter or two of this opus reads rather like Mission to Horatius. Like a children's novel. And yet, I grew up on a series of children's novels (the very first such series, started by the man who invented book-packaging, Edward Stratemeyer), The Bobbsey Twins, and very few Bobbsey Twins novels (I've read virtually all of them, including both original and revised editions, up to the end of the original series) go into as much detail re-introducing continuing characters as was done in Horatius, or in the present opus. And likewise, I found a few "clinkers" (with regard to science, technology, and crew areas of responsibility) that threw me out of the story. (The Stratemeyer Syndicate, by contrast, spared no expense on research, with the result that you can quite literally find your way around Colonial Williamsburg just by reading The Bobbsey Twins' Red, White and Blue Mystery.")

That said, I find that it gets better And that, ironically, Mr. Daniel expends less verbage (and yet does a better job) introducing characters we've never seen before, than re-introducing characters who are part of the pop culture.
 
I finished it. It just seem to wrap up close to the end. I did not see this story as satisfying. Maybe another reading may change my mind...
 
it's McCoy, and not Kirk, who (to quote an old friend's disparaging remark about high school students and their raging hormones) "gets his pee-pee wet."

I would also say that those who pointed out that the resurfacing of the two pirate/slaver cultures, covered in so much detail (only to be dropped like a rock when the Demiurge shows up) seems a bit forced (I was waiting for them to turn out to be another group of Excalbians!), and the whole business of Kirk not sending anybody out to look for Sulu and Chekov seemed uncharacteristically negligent.

And I've already covered the waste of verbage on things the average reader would already get (and I'm glad I'm not the only one to notice it).
 
As for your bit in spoiler code: nice that he got it, but felt like it was there just because he was supposed to be in the book for some contractual reason. He had zero to do the entire book, so just got a couple pages on the side about how he's having fun banging this chick throughout the story. Absolutely zero impact if McCoy was completely removed from the story, so should have either tied his part in somehow or just cut it and put McCoy in a couple background shots so you know he's there. Felt like it either slipped past the editor, or he went in with a "shit, forgot about McCoy" at the end...
 
Actually Tony told me in our Literary Treks interview that he specifically chose this story line for McCoy and his paramour from history to have the flip on the TOS tradition of Kirk always getting the girl. This time Kirk would really have to work for it and McCoy would get the girl.
 
Hmm. I wouldn't say that McCoy did nothing here; he was our eyes and ears for a lot of early expository material for the Excalbians' regenerative ability.

His lover, on the other hand, seemed to exist for that purpose alone. Or maybe for that purpose and to show off the author's knowledge of French literary esoterica.

I will say that I never realized that there was a historic Cyrano de Bergerac; I thought he was entirely a figment of Edmond Rostand's imagination.

Noticed something that looked like a spell-checker doing the job of a human proofreader: "disbursement" where it should have been "dispersal."

(And regarding my prior mention of the Stratemeyer Syndicate's obsession with getting the details right in children's novels: The Bobbsey Twins' Red, White and Blue Mystery includes a passage describing small gray buses without fareboxes, transporting Colonial Williamsburg visitors around. Guess what: the CWF shuttle buses are rather small, they are gray, and they really don't have fareboxes; you just show your admission badge.)
 
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^ When the Demiurge was first introduced in the novel, I thought it was something we had already seen before, but I couldn't recall what. Maybe this is what I was thinking of?

Of course, it turned out that the Demiurge probably had no relation to anything we've seen before, anyway.
 
I started this book a few days ago and really like it so far the Enterprise crew interacting with historical figures is intriguing. I like the Vulcan ambassador is someone Spock knows from his childhood. I like Spock talking about Spav being a friend to him and telling Kirk about his past.
 
It suddenly occurs to me - Spock is the Star Trek universe version of how racists think all ethic minorities know each other* - except Spock actually does...

Have we had a story where a Vulcan turns up and Spock doesn't know them or hasn't hear of them?



Tied to that Alien characters all know every geographical region on their planet - nobody ever says "never heard of it".
 
^That was what I was wondering. I know they interact in some of the Vanguard books, but I was wondering if they knew each other before Harbinger.
 
I'm afraid I really didn't care for this one. I think it's definitely one of the weakest Trek books in a long while.

This.

Every plot element just seemed boring or contrived. And I thought everyone's reactions to meeting the 'historical' figures was just as dumb as in the episode.
 
I'm afraid I really didn't care for this one. I think it's definitely one of the weakest Trek books in a long while. Devil's Bargain was better; I enjoyed that one, for all that I thought it "below average". Some of the earlier posters seem to have enjoyed this one, so I'm glad it does the job for some readers. Sadly, I have to say I'm not among them.

I agree. I had to force myself to finish it.
 
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