That wasn't directly into space, but the ventilation system, which seems to connect to a variety of other systems, like the impulse engine vents, which do lead directly into space - the final frontier.
TOS Rewatch
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Small? I take it you've been watching TOS-R with the digital effects. The CGI hangar deck not only looks small, it looks dark and cramped.Feh.
For that matter, do the crew cabins on the Enterprise really have vents that open directly to space?
That is a surprising difference in lighting, but it's actually the bright version I saw, I believe. I say it makes the Enterprise look small because even though the hangar isn't tiny, it's still only a bit wider than than my living room, yet the hangar doors show it to take up basically the entire width of the engineering hull. I always felt that the ship would be wider than that.
But I suppose it does rather make sense for a ship with only 400 crew. I know the largest ships today carry thousands of people.
The original hangar deck miniature set was exaggerated in size to make the ship look really huge. The original shuttlecraft miniature looked small in it. The remastered effects tried to get it closer to what the "actual" scale size of the hangar and shuttle would be. The result makes it all seem less impressive. :Vulcan:
Yeah, the use of the tapes was great. It was a nice, subtle (but not too subtle) allusion to Queeg.
According to Windom, he came up with the idea himself.
William Windom has said at conventions that he had his character compulsively fiddle with cassette cartridges as an homage to Humphrey Bogart, whose Captain Queeg did the same thing with ball-bearings in The Caine Mutiny.
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_Doomsday_Machine_(episode)
Cool, I always suspected that but never saw anything to confirm it.
Wolf in the Fold
Kirk and Scotty looked bored in the opening shot. Weird how they're instantly obsessed once the camera zooms in.
Kirk and McCoy are fighting over who gets credit for getting Scotty laid...
This detective has a funny way of handling evidence.
A 'Psycho-tricorder'? Interesting. Seems like something that would make mind-melds rather useless (except in STII, of course).
The detective is reciting facts about the second murder that no one told him.
It's funny watching Star Trek reference the classic 'lights out' murder scene.
No one's going to question the father?
Women are more easily and more deeply terrified?
So did Redjac possess Hengist's dead body?
Is it just me, or is the Enterprise in serious danger if no one cares about their jobs for six hours? Seems like Kirk and Spock would have to spend the entire time running all over the ship checking that no one neglects a necessary function or accidentally turns off something important.
Overall, I'd say this is an ok episode. As murder mysteries go, it's not very effective. Hengist is obvious from the second murder and the 'procedure' of investigation is arbitrary and unconvincing. But it's an interesting concept and I like how the real problem is not to identify the murderer but to find a way to stop an unstoppable being. Although Redjac must've been a slow learner if he only just now thought to possess starships in order to feed. Poor Kirk never will get to see those women.
Kirk and Scotty looked bored in the opening shot. Weird how they're instantly obsessed once the camera zooms in.
Kirk and McCoy are fighting over who gets credit for getting Scotty laid...
This detective has a funny way of handling evidence.
A 'Psycho-tricorder'? Interesting. Seems like something that would make mind-melds rather useless (except in STII, of course).
The detective is reciting facts about the second murder that no one told him.
It's funny watching Star Trek reference the classic 'lights out' murder scene.
No one's going to question the father?
Women are more easily and more deeply terrified?
So did Redjac possess Hengist's dead body?
Is it just me, or is the Enterprise in serious danger if no one cares about their jobs for six hours? Seems like Kirk and Spock would have to spend the entire time running all over the ship checking that no one neglects a necessary function or accidentally turns off something important.
Overall, I'd say this is an ok episode. As murder mysteries go, it's not very effective. Hengist is obvious from the second murder and the 'procedure' of investigation is arbitrary and unconvincing. But it's an interesting concept and I like how the real problem is not to identify the murderer but to find a way to stop an unstoppable being. Although Redjac must've been a slow learner if he only just now thought to possess starships in order to feed. Poor Kirk never will get to see those women.
The dark one sure looks better. Always thought the hangar from TOS looked like a model miniature lit with a floodlight.
The trend is for crews to be smaller. Carriers used to have about 6600 crew, but today the latest carriers have about 5000, including the air wing. The latest cruiser in the USN has a crew about the size USS Voyager, between 150-175.
Some scents have the power to bring back memories, bad and good. It's like you're right back there again.
Bet Kirk doesn't eat honey on his toast.
It's just like honey - but not. Our olfactory senses are capable of identifying millions of different smells. Just subtle difference can trigger a memory.
The Trouble with Tribbles
I like how they call back to the Organian peace treaty. It's always fun when show is willing to build on its own ideas.
K 7 has no visible docking facilities.
An undersecretary for agricultural affairs has authority over military alerts?
Kirk repeating himself is kind of weird.
"I have never questioned the orders or the intelligence of Federation representative... until now" - a funny line, but not entirely true, is it?
Always loved Tribbles.
So the Organian peace treaty requires Klingon and Federation space stations provide shore leave for the enemy? Seems an unlikely way to keep the peace.
Is that the same actor who played Trelane?
'Take my pet, but I don't want to know if you're going to dissect it' - uh... Ok.
So where are the twelve guards that are supposed to be watching these Klingons?
I love how Scotty doesn't care what anyone says about Kirk, but don't you dare insult the Enterprise.
Cyrano Jones saving the drinks is fantastic. He's relatively understated, but so much better more fun than Mudd.
And then Scotty is proud of defending the Enterprise's honor.
"They do not talk too much." - Burn
Ok, that crawling tribble looks creepy.
'Bisexual, reproducing at will'?
Seeing everyone so obsessed with the tribbles is coming close to the obsession with that game in the TNG episode.
"My chicken sandwhich and coffe" - I always loved that line.
I can't watch the storage unit scene without imagining Jadzia tossing tribbles at Kirk's head
"Tribbles must be very perceptive creatures"
Cyrano's punishment is ironic, but not exactly practical. How is the station supposed to be ok with having an ongoing tribble problem for 17 years?
And there's the best ending to a Star Trek episode ever. Although it is strange that beaming the tribbles into space would be horrifying, but handing them over to bloodthirsty barbarians that hate them isn't...
This is easily the best comedy episode so far. Probably the best comedy episode ever, including the spin-offs.
I like how they call back to the Organian peace treaty. It's always fun when show is willing to build on its own ideas.
K 7 has no visible docking facilities.
An undersecretary for agricultural affairs has authority over military alerts?
Kirk repeating himself is kind of weird.
"I have never questioned the orders or the intelligence of Federation representative... until now" - a funny line, but not entirely true, is it?
Always loved Tribbles.
So the Organian peace treaty requires Klingon and Federation space stations provide shore leave for the enemy? Seems an unlikely way to keep the peace.
Is that the same actor who played Trelane?
'Take my pet, but I don't want to know if you're going to dissect it' - uh... Ok.
So where are the twelve guards that are supposed to be watching these Klingons?
I love how Scotty doesn't care what anyone says about Kirk, but don't you dare insult the Enterprise.
Cyrano Jones saving the drinks is fantastic. He's relatively understated, but so much better more fun than Mudd.
And then Scotty is proud of defending the Enterprise's honor.
"They do not talk too much." - Burn
Ok, that crawling tribble looks creepy.
'Bisexual, reproducing at will'?
Seeing everyone so obsessed with the tribbles is coming close to the obsession with that game in the TNG episode.
"My chicken sandwhich and coffe" - I always loved that line.
I can't watch the storage unit scene without imagining Jadzia tossing tribbles at Kirk's head
"Tribbles must be very perceptive creatures"
Cyrano's punishment is ironic, but not exactly practical. How is the station supposed to be ok with having an ongoing tribble problem for 17 years?
And there's the best ending to a Star Trek episode ever.
Although it is strange that beaming the tribbles into space would be horrifying, but handing them over to bloodthirsty barbarians that hate them isn't...This is easily the best comedy episode so far. Probably the best comedy episode ever, including the spin-offs.
Huh? That sentence makes no sense. The hangar isn't tiny but it's only a bit wider than your living room? Are you saying it LOOKS small because of the lighting? Cause that shuttle's 20+ feet long, and that'd make the hangar over 60 feet wide at the turntable. I doubt your living room is anything close to 60 feet across.
Huh? That sentence makes no sense. The hangar isn't tiny but it's only a bit wider than your living room? Are you saying it LOOKS small because of the lighting? Cause that shuttle's 20+ feet long, and that'd make the hangar over 60 feet wide at the turntable. I doubt your living room is anything close to 60 feet across.
Living room was slightly exagerrated, but I take your point. I guess it's also the shuttle that looks small and makes the hangar look small in turn. Even so - 60 to 70 feet across seems not very wide for the entire breadth of the ship's hull, compared to how I always imagined it. Though, as I stated, it's probably believable for a ship with 400 crew.
Yes, William Campbell.
Kirk certainly questioned the intelligence of other Federation types, sure. But he wasn't aiming for truth there – he was deliberately insulting the guy.
The Organian Peace treaty just prevented overt hostilities on a fleet wide scale. But that whole idea was problematic for the series, and I'm not sure how or why, but I think it just stopped at some point. The Federation and the Klingons fought after that, I'm pretty sure, and no Organians stepped in the stopped them, so maybe it only applies to areas close to Organia or within the neutral zone. They can otherwise fight and the Organians allow it since they don't like to interfere – it's painful for them – so as long as it's far enough away from their home world, they stay out of it, I guess. I do know this – Kirk didn't expect the Organian treaty to save them since he went into Deep Space Station K-7 guns ready having assumed the Klingons attacked. How could they have attacked if the Organians were enforcing that treaty?
Yes, William Campbell played both the Squire of Gothos and our Dear Captain Koloth.
And later on DS9, he reprised the role, though he was more sympathetic and not the sort who would dishonorably round up 200 innocent peasants and phaser them to death just to keep a little order.
I agree forcing Cyrano to pick up the tribbles was both stupid and impossible. They breed faster than he could pick them up, and no way would they allow the station to be paralyzed for 17 years while he did it. But they solved that problem in TAS.
It's little wonder it's a funny episode since I think that was the only episode ever written purposefully for laughs. Trek could always be funny in places, but they didn't usually intentionally write it that way.
The Organian Peace treaty just prevented overt hostilities on a fleet wide scale. But that whole idea was problematic for the series, and I'm not sure how or why, but I think it just stopped at some point. The Federation and the Klingons fought after that, I'm pretty sure, and no Organians stepped in the stopped them, so maybe it only applies to areas close to Organia or within the neutral zone. They can otherwise fight and the Organians allow it since they don't like to interfere – it's painful for them – so as long as it's far enough away from their home world, they stay out of it, I guess. I do know this – Kirk didn't expect the Organian treaty to save them since he went into Deep Space Station K-7 guns ready having assumed the Klingons attacked. How could they have attacked if the Organians were enforcing that treaty?
Yes, William Campbell played both the Squire of Gothos and our Dear Captain Koloth.
And later on DS9, he reprised the role, though he was more sympathetic and not the sort who would dishonorably round up 200 innocent peasants and phaser them to death just to keep a little order.
I agree forcing Cyrano to pick up the tribbles was both stupid and impossible. They breed faster than he could pick them up, and no way would they allow the station to be paralyzed for 17 years while he did it. But they solved that problem in TAS.
It's little wonder it's a funny episode since I think that was the only episode ever written purposefully for laughs. Trek could always be funny in places, but they didn't usually intentionally write it that way.
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Maybe Kirk figured Jones would eventually come up with a way to expedite the clean-up process. He is a businessman, after all...he could contract someone else to do the job. "What do you do for a living?" "I'm professional tribble wrangler."
The Gamesters of Triskelion:
I love that Spock questions Scotty about people 'disappearing' while using the transporter.
The body paint/alien designs here are pretty weak in comparison to other episodes.
So if Galt is Master Thrall, does that mean he had to fight too and eventually work his way up?
I always liked the triskelion symbol.
I have to agree with Spock: it is a fascinating question how long someone can survive while in a transporter beam.
The Uhura/drill thrall scene is weird. Somehow both overdone and undersold at the same time. Someone's basically trying to rape and Uhura and yet she doesn't get a single shot in the scene to see her dealing with anything. Instead we see Kirk go totally unhinged, which is pretty out of character, and Chekov just stare at the wall, which is just plain weird.
Kirk's drill thrall's clothes reminds me strongly of the Fifth Element. Wonder if there was some inspirational connection there.
I like that Kirk instinctively tries to pull Galt's attention away from Uhura and onto him. There's the captain we love.
And Chekov's best insult is 'cossacks'.
30 seconds after extreme psychic torture and it's time for a make-out session?
The ongoing argument about where to look for the landing party is amusing, but kind of stretches credibility. Spock really thinks McCoy and Scotty would mutiny against him?
The Federation has educated entire civilizations on a regular basis? The prime directive really is new, then.
Funny how the providers make a big deal out of outlining the rules and then completely ignore them. Stepping on blue is literally the very first thing Kirk does, and he repeats it at least ten times over the fight. Both the first combatants are removed from the fight without being replaced while clearly still alive and Shahna then surrenders - which wasn't provided for in the rules at all.
Overall this was an ok episode. It was pretty standard for the series - all powerful beings being selfish and cruel have to be outsmarted for everyone's own good, and also Kirk must get shirtless and sweaty. It was funny and reasonably entertaining, and although it is one in an interminably long line of sci/fi fantasy shows doing the same old gladiator shtick over and over again, I can at least give it credit for more originality than those other shows that are still doing the same thing today (though I highly doubt this was the first example, either).
I love that Spock questions Scotty about people 'disappearing' while using the transporter.
The body paint/alien designs here are pretty weak in comparison to other episodes.
So if Galt is Master Thrall, does that mean he had to fight too and eventually work his way up?
I always liked the triskelion symbol.
I have to agree with Spock: it is a fascinating question how long someone can survive while in a transporter beam.
The Uhura/drill thrall scene is weird. Somehow both overdone and undersold at the same time. Someone's basically trying to rape and Uhura and yet she doesn't get a single shot in the scene to see her dealing with anything. Instead we see Kirk go totally unhinged, which is pretty out of character, and Chekov just stare at the wall, which is just plain weird.
Kirk's drill thrall's clothes reminds me strongly of the Fifth Element. Wonder if there was some inspirational connection there.
I like that Kirk instinctively tries to pull Galt's attention away from Uhura and onto him. There's the captain we love.
And Chekov's best insult is 'cossacks'.
30 seconds after extreme psychic torture and it's time for a make-out session?
The ongoing argument about where to look for the landing party is amusing, but kind of stretches credibility. Spock really thinks McCoy and Scotty would mutiny against him?
The Federation has educated entire civilizations on a regular basis? The prime directive really is new, then.
Funny how the providers make a big deal out of outlining the rules and then completely ignore them. Stepping on blue is literally the very first thing Kirk does, and he repeats it at least ten times over the fight. Both the first combatants are removed from the fight without being replaced while clearly still alive and Shahna then surrenders - which wasn't provided for in the rules at all.
Overall this was an ok episode. It was pretty standard for the series - all powerful beings being selfish and cruel have to be outsmarted for everyone's own good, and also Kirk must get shirtless and sweaty. It was funny and reasonably entertaining, and although it is one in an interminably long line of sci/fi fantasy shows doing the same old gladiator shtick over and over again, I can at least give it credit for more originality than those other shows that are still doing the same thing today (though I highly doubt this was the first example, either).
The Gamesters Of Triskelion
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This is an interesting episode where the Enterprise encounters a technologically superior and more highly evolved race - though that race seems to have fallen into a more primitive culture's pursuits - the barbaric practice of slavery and gladiatorial games for their personal amusement - and the thrill of betting on the outcomes of the games just made it that much better.
It hardly seems a worthy pursuit for a "superior" race, but as Trek has once said, the greater the complexity of one's intellect, the greater the need for the simplicity of play. The "Providers" did consider their captured specimens (Thralls) to be of inferior standing (which included humans and andorians and perhaps other races belonging to the Federation of Planets) and apparently not worth the respect one might afford an equal. As such, they were beneath them and fit toys, to take, to have, or to abuse or even kill - almost like children pulling the legs off insects. Perhaps this story is a warning to ourselves to be more considerate of those beneath you, if those others are indeed beneath you, or maybe a suggestion that you've just over estimated your own importance. A few ideas worthy of deeper consideration, and therefore a wonderful episode for that.
The remastered portions are nice - standard ship shots (and when I say standard, I don't mean stock footage). Unlike TOS where stock footage was practically a guarantee, I'm thinking no remastered episodes EVER reuses stock footage. If they felt the need to change it at all, they took the time to do it anew, and each episode seems to have some new ship footage for your enjoyment. I love that. And newly reworked planets, too, are a practical guarantee - this time, two of them:
Gamma II
The Planet Triskelion, in the M24 Alpha System - a trinary star system.
There is, of course, the beauty of the day, Angelique Pettyjohn - playing the thrall, Shahna.
I'm now told she has green hair - who knew? Not me, being red/green colorblind, but I'm sure most people knew - and the other female thrall was yellow - I knew she was not normally colored, but it's nice to have "yellow" confirmed. Anyway, while that silver bikini-like suit is supposed to be sexy, I'm sure, I always thought it was ill-fitting and kind of stupid looking, and therefore not very attractive, unlike many other Trek outfits. YMMV.
But now I'll mention a wonderful character actor, Joseph Ruskin, one of the few actors to have played in every Star Trek series (with the exception of TNG). He only very recently died, so RIP, Joseph, and thanks for your stellar work.
Here are a few of his Trek roles.
Here he plays Galt, the Master Thrall. (Yeah, I think he worked his way up).
Tumek, DS9
Sona Officer
Vulcan Master: Voyager
Suliban Doctor Enterprise
Maybe he was just an actor looking for work, but I gotta believe he loved Star Trek and happily sought out those roles so he could be a part of it.
A good segment in this episode includes how McCoy and Scotty feel free to question Mr. Spock's decisions, and how Mr. Spock "reminds" them he is in command and deserves a greater level of respect. I felt it took some clever insight into other people's characters to know exactly how to remind them of that fact. Well done, Spock. He's come a long way since The Galileo Seven incident.
Anyway, a fine episode - not stellar or great, but well worth watching.
I had given it a 6 out of 10 before, but with the new effects, and the fact the numbers make sense - Triskelion, for example, isn't hundreds or thousands of light years away, but a mere 11.6, so at warp 7, it'd take about a week to get there, and that sounds just about right - so I'll give it a 7 out of 10.
It hardly seems a worthy pursuit for a "superior" race, but as Trek has once said, the greater the complexity of one's intellect, the greater the need for the simplicity of play. The "Providers" did consider their captured specimens (Thralls) to be of inferior standing (which included humans and andorians and perhaps other races belonging to the Federation of Planets) and apparently not worth the respect one might afford an equal. As such, they were beneath them and fit toys, to take, to have, or to abuse or even kill - almost like children pulling the legs off insects. Perhaps this story is a warning to ourselves to be more considerate of those beneath you, if those others are indeed beneath you, or maybe a suggestion that you've just over estimated your own importance. A few ideas worthy of deeper consideration, and therefore a wonderful episode for that.
The remastered portions are nice - standard ship shots (and when I say standard, I don't mean stock footage). Unlike TOS where stock footage was practically a guarantee, I'm thinking no remastered episodes EVER reuses stock footage. If they felt the need to change it at all, they took the time to do it anew, and each episode seems to have some new ship footage for your enjoyment. I love that. And newly reworked planets, too, are a practical guarantee - this time, two of them:
Gamma II
The Planet Triskelion, in the M24 Alpha System - a trinary star system.
There is, of course, the beauty of the day, Angelique Pettyjohn - playing the thrall, Shahna.
I'm now told she has green hair - who knew? Not me, being red/green colorblind, but I'm sure most people knew - and the other female thrall was yellow - I knew she was not normally colored, but it's nice to have "yellow" confirmed. Anyway, while that silver bikini-like suit is supposed to be sexy, I'm sure, I always thought it was ill-fitting and kind of stupid looking, and therefore not very attractive, unlike many other Trek outfits. YMMV.
But now I'll mention a wonderful character actor, Joseph Ruskin, one of the few actors to have played in every Star Trek series (with the exception of TNG). He only very recently died, so RIP, Joseph, and thanks for your stellar work.
Here are a few of his Trek roles.
Here he plays Galt, the Master Thrall. (Yeah, I think he worked his way up).
Tumek, DS9
Sona Officer
Vulcan Master: Voyager
Suliban Doctor Enterprise
Maybe he was just an actor looking for work, but I gotta believe he loved Star Trek and happily sought out those roles so he could be a part of it.
A good segment in this episode includes how McCoy and Scotty feel free to question Mr. Spock's decisions, and how Mr. Spock "reminds" them he is in command and deserves a greater level of respect. I felt it took some clever insight into other people's characters to know exactly how to remind them of that fact. Well done, Spock. He's come a long way since The Galileo Seven incident.
Anyway, a fine episode - not stellar or great, but well worth watching.
I had given it a 6 out of 10 before, but with the new effects, and the fact the numbers make sense - Triskelion, for example, isn't hundreds or thousands of light years away, but a mere 11.6, so at warp 7, it'd take about a week to get there, and that sounds just about right - so I'll give it a 7 out of 10.
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One thing I did notice that I found interesting in this regard: the providers certainly didn't want to admit that Humans might not be beneath them, but they did seem quite convinced that Humans were clearly superior to the other races they had enslaved (which also included an Andorian)
He was definitely the best guest star here. Very good presence. I didn't know he'd had so many roles in the other shows. Sorry to hear he's gone.
His speaking voice gave him a lot of screen presence. He did two episodes of The Six Million Dollar Man, one of The Bionic Woman, and tons of other shows. It was the voice that got you.
He was also Sardis on an episode of The Time Tunnel as well as also appearing in Land of The Giants too!
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