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TOS questions...

Irishman

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I thought it was high time that there was a forum thread where we could all post stupid questions and get serious answers to them. To whit, here's mine:

I should know this, but I am not 100% sure of my own recollection.

Does the Enterprise dedication Plaque only read "Starship Class" on Pike's ship, or on Kirk's?
 
THanks, guys.

Also, when is the E first referred to as "Constitution class" onscreen?

Further, of those starships of the same class as E in "The Ultimate Computer", what are their names?
 
Irishman said:
Also, when is the E first referred to as "Constitution class" onscreen?

I believe the first time it is referred to as such was in the TNG episode Relics. The term appears briefly on a schematic Scotty is studying in a TOS episode, but I don't remember which one.

Further, of those starships of the same class as E in "The Ultimate Computer", what are their names?

USS Lexington
USS Hood
USS Excalibur
USS Potemkin
 
Uss Stardis said:
If you find out, perhaps you could help shed some light on this argument.

Here's my theory:

Enterprise class: Simulator only (the simulator is made to resemble the Enterprise, so that's the class name *of the simulator*)

Constitution class: The ship itself, both the 1701-refit and 1701-A (the scene in ST VI is definitive, really)
 
Babaganoosh said:
Uss Stardis said:
If you find out, perhaps you could help shed some light on this argument.

Here's my theory:

Enterprise class: Simulator only (the simulator is made to resemble the Enterprise, so that's the class name *of the simulator*)

Constitution class: The ship itself, both the 1701-refit and 1701-A (the scene in ST VI is definitive, really)
The ``Enterprise Class'' explanation I like is that it's part of the equipment set aside of the class of students who are going to be put aboard the Enterprise when they're done. This fits relatively well with McCoy's line about ``wouldn't it be easier to put an experienced crew back on the ship?'' (or to that effect).
 
Nebusj said:
The ``Enterprise Class'' explanation I like is that it's part of the equipment set aside of the class of students

That's a good idea, now that I think of it.
I honestly never considered the idea that "class" could have referred to an Academy class of cadets. Excellent point! :thumbsup:
 
Quite. We should remember that starship bridges tend to be quite individualistic (TOS "Tholian Web" perhaps notwithstanding). Also, there seems to be fairly little crew rotation on Kirk's TOS mission. While this may have been an atypical mission, we could say that the training that Saavik's team undergoes is also aiming at such an atypical mission.

So a bridge simulator dedicated to a specific single starship, and all the Academy classes that study for positions aboard that specific ship, would definitely make training sense. And an entire training regime dedicated to a single crew that will hold together for the next few years aboard that specific single starship might also be a good idea. McCoy's words do seem to jibe with that interpretation.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Scotty is looking at a plan of the 1701-A in ST-Vi. The bridge simulator in TWOK is for the refit 1701. I think it makes more sense that 1701 as refit for TMP is Enterprise-class, and that the 1701-A is Constitution class. They might even be the same class, just renamed once Enterprise 1701 is destroyed.
 
Another "TOS-questions-you-were-afraid-to-ask":

So, who did fire the weapons? Navigator or Helmsman?

When did we first hear of Photon Torpedoes?
 
Helmsman surely, Sulu was always firing with a glance in that visor gadget to be sure of what he was trying to hit.

Although "Balance of Terror" has a separate phaser room, so he may just have been relaying orders to a torpedo room.
 
So, who did fire the weapons? Navigator or Helmsman?

My take: the Captain takes the first step in firing the weapons, by calling "Fire!". The gunners down at Phaser Control and Torpedo Control finish the process, by throwing the appropriate switches. And whatever happens in between is by mutual agreement.

That is, the two guys or gals at the center console decide which of them will send the signal down to the little folks at weapons control when they have the enemy in crosshairs. Or the Captain may specifically ask to be patched directly to weapons control, so that his word is enough to launch the volley. Yet the little folks ultimately decide whether or not to act, as firing an overheated phaser or a half-loaded torpedo might be bad for the ship.

That's much like it worked on those WWII warships that were the model for so many things in Trek. And that sort of man-in-the-loop design makes great practical sense when your weapons are as malfunction-prone as, say, the phasers in "Balance of Terror".

When did we first hear of Photon Torpedoes?

TOS "Arena".

Or, by the internal timeline, ENT "Sleeping Dogs", where it was established that Klingons had the technology first, and invented the name. Indeed, the name may actually be something of a mistranslation from a Klingon term that makes more sense...

United Earth Starfleet put photon torpedoes in use in the mid-2150s already, so we might assume that they were standard gear in early TOS episodes as well, and not some sort of a hasty refit just before "Arena". There simply weren't that many occasions for Kirk to fire such weapons in early TOS - "Arena" was the first actual space combat episode after "Balance of Terror".

Timo Saloniemi
 
^Or maybe Kirk did not get them loaded onto his ship until the Tuesday before Arena takes place
 
I would like to add a word about crew deployment, please. In the TOS-era, it's my understanding the Federation didn't have an outpost on every corner so many crewmembers were cross-trained. This training most likely started at the Academy and was refined as OJT while deployed. A lot of fans don't understand the concept of "unit cohesion" which would be even more important on a long-range mission as described in Trekverse. IMMHO.
 
estrea said:
I would like to add a word about crew deployment, please. In the TOS-era, it's my understanding the Federation didn't have an outpost on every corner so many crewmembers were cross-trained. This training most likely started at the Academy and was refined as OJT while deployed. A lot of fans don't understand the concept of "unit cohesion" which would be even more important on a long-range mission as described in Trekverse. IMMHO.

This is what is known as gaping.
 
My dumb question:

What in evolution could possibly select for really pointed ears? (Yes, I know Roddenberry said that such would help cup sound in Vulcan's thin atmosphere, but that explains Ferengi more than Vulcans. Wicked sharp points help how?)
 
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