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Spoilers TOS: No Time Like the Past by Greg Cox Review Thread

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Is the double occurrence of "the" deliberate, NotLKH? :p

I'm going to read over this post at least thrice, to avoid becoming the latest victim...

There's nothing like a little bit of unintentional irony every now and then, lol!
I only noticed that after Greg responded, and wondered when someone picked up on it. Congrats Nasat! :)

Christopher said:
Whoa. I read that sentence three times before I noticed what was wrong with it. I guess the problem with phrases like that is that the brain sees the whole that it expects to see and thus doesn't necessarily break it down into its component words.

Too true. Normally I don't stumble over such instances, but for some reason it forced itself to be noticed this time for me.
 
I got it yesterday and blasted right through it. (The joys of retirement.) Would have love it if they could have visited even more places. The "Landru" planet, maybe.
 
Whoa. I read that sentence three times before I noticed what was wrong with it. I guess the problem with phrases like that is that the brain sees the whole that it expects to see and thus doesn't necessarily break it down into its component words.
It's amzanig waht the huamn brian will assmiliate.
 
I'm not a TOS fan but I bought The Weight of Worlds because the blurb mentioned a big role for Uhura and enjoyed it and bought this for Seven and I also really loved it.

A nice time travel romp with some great character stuff between Seven and the Enterprise crew, it would be nice to see a follow up with Seven's reactions to meeting them in the present.
 
I'm not a TOS fan but I bought The Weight of Worlds because the blurb mentioned a big role for Uhura and enjoyed it and bought this for Seven and I also really loved it.

A nice time travel romp with some great character stuff between Seven and the Enterprise crew, it would be nice to see a follow up with Seven's reactions to meeting them in the present.

Depending on when it occurs in Seven's timeline, Icheb did do a report on Kirk for Janeway. Perhaps Seven inspired his choice of topic?
 
Any word on why this novel isn't available on kindle yet...?

Isn't it?

EDIT: Just checked and found a Kindle edition listed on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...BY5G24&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1688200382&pf_rd_i

Thanks, Greg. That was weird. You can see somebody else made a similar comment in a review. I guess it was just a temporary glitch. That same page didn't have a kindle link just 15 minutes ago. *shrugs*

Anyway, I just purchased a copy. I'll read it right after I finish A Calculated Life by Anne Charnock and Star Trek: Titan: Absent Enemies.
 
Any word on why this novel isn't available on kindle yet...?

Isn't it?

EDIT: Just checked and found a Kindle edition listed on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...BY5G24&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1688200382&pf_rd_i

Thanks, Greg. That was weird. You can see somebody else made a similar comment in a review. I guess it was just a temporary glitch. That same page didn't have a kindle link just 15 minutes ago. *shrugs*

Anyway, I just purchased a copy. I'll read it right after I finish A Calculated Life by Anne Charnock and Star Trek: Titan: Absent Enemies.

Glad we got it straightened out! :)
 
Well of all the Star Trek books I've ever read this was certainly one. ;-)

Okay I tease. In all seriousness though this is a book that while it is well executed, and deftly paced, ultimately falls a bit short for me in the promise inherent in having two such singular characters as Kirk and Seven meet. I'll attempt to break down the good, the okay, and the "meh", in rough order.

The opening is tight. Moves along quickly and we are given a good plausible reason for why Kirk ends up taking the lead over the person who's job it is supposed to be to negotiate with these people.

Seven's entrance is very striking. If I were Jeri Ryan I would be jealous that I never got an entrance moment half this good in the show.

The flash back (forward?) is also well done. I must confess that I was half expecting the person in the coffin to be Seven.

The interaction between Seven and the crew was well written. If this was Seven earlier in her return to humanity I think she would have been haughtier and more condescending whereas by this point she has learned the value of humanity both her own and as a group.

We start to come into problems with the trope of Officious Official is Officious. I appreciate that Mr. Cox went out of his way to give Santiago a plausible reason for his near monomania regarding wanting to exploit Seven's knowledge of the future. But after a while when one has seen this story repeated so many times in Trek, there reaches a point where a solid gold statue of Elvis made by intelligent hamsters from the future is still just another damned Elvis statue. In other words quality does not necessarily trump the contempt bred by familiarity. Also the aid being a spy was frankly just a bit too obvious.

Then there is the problem of having the Orions be the "bad guys". While I do appreciate the attempts that have been made to try and flesh them out and make them more than caricatures both here and in Mr. Bennet's Enterprise novel, sadly to a great extent all such efforts end up failing for me, simply because I just don't think there's enough there to support the fleshing out. Orion females are generally haughty and violently emotionally unstable, even the ones that the author is careful to keep away from the stereotypical sex kitten trope, and the men are violent brutish thugs. So far there has been exactly one instance of someone managing to use the Orions in a way that engaged my interest and managed to transcend the stereotypes. There may come another one but I doubt if it will be happening any time soon.

As for the idea of Kirk and company revisiting a small selection of past adventures, well that part while novel was frankly a bit disappointingly shallow, the return to Cheron being the notable exception. I thought that Mr. Cox did an excellent job going into greater depth showing what kind of a deeply diseased society could breed such long lived hatred over such a petty difference.

The section prior with the return to Vaalworld was kind of... there. Seven being forced to confront her lingering desire to "belong" was interesting, but hardly original.

Then finally there was Sarpeidon and the reveal as to who the prime mover behind all this was. It felt arbitrary and forced. I did not care about this person and their struggle and quite frankly the reasoning given for sending Seven on this chase through time and space just really did not work for me. I did however find it interesting that the Yesterday duology has been returned to the fold of modern novel continuity. That honestly caught me by surprise. I had thought maybe at best a veiled reference to the novels, that those in the know would get and those not in the know could ignore.

Ultimately this is a novel that falls into what I call the "Serviceable" category. It's not off type, but it is a touch simplistic and while well told doesn't really feel like it's about any thing of depth. Bottom line while I'm not sorry I read it, I certainly would not want to read another one like it any time soon.
 
I did however find it interesting that the Yesterday duology has been returned to the fold of modern novel continuity. That honestly caught me by surprise. I had thought maybe at best a veiled reference to the novels, that those in the know would get and those not in the know could ignore.

I"ll be honest. We went back and forth on whether to explicitly reference those books. Then Ann Crispin died (while I was doing the final revisions) and sentiment prevailed. I wouldn't necessarily take that as an "official" statement that the Yesterday books have been formally returned to the continuity (were they ever gone?) as much as it was me, personally, wanting to pay tribute to a recently-departed friend . . ..

Meanwhile, thanks for the review. Sorry the book didn't entirely work for you, but it's always interesting and gratifying to get a thoughtful analysis of one's book. (Few things are more frustrating than spending months on a book only to have it elicit no response at all!)

And, for what's it's worth, I'm trying to doing something different with the Officious Official trope in my next book . . ..
 
^Well, the Yesterday duology is very much a part of the '80s novel continuity; in fact, Time for Yesterday is pretty much the linchpin of that continuity, because it's the one book that references the largest number of other '80s novels, so a lot of them would not be connected to each other at all without it. It references all sorts of stuff that's no longer part of the modern continuity, like the Rihannsu and Ford's Klingons and Carey's Piper novels and so forth.

Of course, there's no reason characters or planets can't theoretically exist in more than one continuity, even if the specifics are different; after all, Kirk, Spock, the Enterprise, and the rest exist in every Trek continuity. But I'd say, not having read the book yet, that it would probably be better seen as an homage than as some sort of full-on "reinclusion" of those books.
 
But I'd say, not having read the book yet, that it would probably be better seen as an homage than as some sort of full-on "reinclusion" of those books.

Exactly. There was no "official" memo regarding grand matters of continuity. That was just me, paying tribute to Ann, in a couple lines of a standalone TOS novel.

And, honestly, it would have felt very odd to return to Sarpedion without acknowledging Ann's work in some way.
 
Haven't posted in a while, but I just wanted to take a moment and say how much I thoroughly enjoyed this book! I downloaded it from iBooks on the 26th and have just now finished assimilating it. Enjoyed it from start to finish. I think I enjoyed the visit to Cheron the most, but I felt the entire book held together very well indeed. I also was very glad to see the references to the Yesterday series - as soon as I read that they were headed to Beta Niobe I was hoping for that. Well done!
 
Glad people are liking the Cheron sequence. To give credit where it's due, John Ordover and I spent about an hour on the phone one day, trying to figure out how Cheronian society worked and bouncing ideas off each other. It was a big help.
 
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