TOS Kirk & Spock Deepfake

Discussion in 'Star Trek - The Original & Animated Series' started by JaxsBrokenHeart, Aug 25, 2018.

  1. Qonundrum

    Qonundrum Vice Admiral Admiral

    Isn't that one of the two main reasons anything is developed in the first place? :D

    Now if they made technology that made us look like porn stars instead of cartoon characters, who wouldn't sign up and volume licensing would reduce the net cost as well! :D
     
  2. Qonundrum

    Qonundrum Vice Admiral Admiral

    IMHO, no. Rand - to me - was an instant hit. Yes, they had other yeomen but her vanishing from the ship without recognition did take a while. She's always been a part of the crew. Heck, she offered an idea on costuming that was accepted and it became iconic, which overrules any possible negative aspects and no negative aspects existed at the time.

    FYI: I'm a partial supporter of TOS-R, where new effects complemented and deepened the episodes as opposed to being hollow and gratuitousness like Star Wars IV-VI, or the fad that encompassed Red Dwarf. "Partial" meaning "most episodes, not all, maybe if they spent a little more on rendering some aspects since the ideas implemented were top-notch and added much to the proceedings legitimately"...
     
  3. Pauln6

    Pauln6 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2009
    Location:
    Bristol, United Kingdom
    I think I have mixed views. The ships need to be less crisp with more 'noise' to look as 'real' as the original. I quite enjoy the updated effects in TMP but those were not HD I guess.
     
  4. ZapBrannigan

    ZapBrannigan Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2013
    Location:
    New York State
  5. J.T.B.

    J.T.B. Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2005
    What an actor looks like or sounds like is nothing, the performance comes from the mind. When that mind is gone, that should be it. I find it a bit bewildering that anyone would be interested in an actor's likeness being used as essentially a puppet for someone else's idea of what a performance should be like.
     
    F. King Daniel and ZapBrannigan like this.
  6. Pauln6

    Pauln6 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2009
    Location:
    Bristol, United Kingdom
    I am uneasy with the term 'misuse', which I would reserve for commercial use with no permission or recompense for the actors or their estate. If it's for personal use, it's no different to drawing a likeness to keep at home for personal enjoyment. One might argue that it's disrespectful to the nameless blonde yeomen extras you're replacing I suppose :-). There are a few crew assembly episodes, like Kirk's wake in the Tholian Web, Space Seed, the Way to Eden, or Let That Be Your Last Battlefield where Rand in the background could work.

    I might be tempted to slap Whitney's face on Yeoman Ross or Yeoman Atkins but that's probably as far as you could go.

    If I wanted to be really ambitious, I'd look to edit parts of Rand's suspicious exchange in the turbolift with evil Kirk into an exchange with Lester Kirk in Turnabout Intruder to add a bit of spice.

    Actually, the pinnacle would be colourising some of Whitney's scenes from Some Like it Hot and adding her to the landing party in A Piece of the Action when they beam down in costume. If there's a way to edit in her line from the Man Trap, "Why don't you go chase an asteroid," it would not look out of place!
     
    Last edited: Sep 8, 2018
  7. Trekfan12

    Trekfan12 Captain Captain

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2016
    I think the computers won't be asking the ridiculous pay that some actors do now
     
  8. Trekfan12

    Trekfan12 Captain Captain

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2016
    This looks really weird to me, especially super imposing Leonard's Spock onto this actor's Spock
     
  9. Pauln6

    Pauln6 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2009
    Location:
    Bristol, United Kingdom
    I wonder if this would work on Saavik and Valeris ;-p
     
  10. TREK_GOD_1

    TREK_GOD_1 Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    May 24, 2006
    Location:
    Escaped from Delta Vega
    Yes, that far different than the bizarre, rubbery/cartoony Tarkin and Leia trying to be a total artificial replacement for actors.
     
    Last edited: Sep 16, 2018
    Kor and CRM-114 like this.
  11. Rahul

    Rahul Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2014
    This is amazing (and also a little bit frightening).

    I think something like this would be a great way to have an iconic character have a cameo. COmparable to the Leia-scene in Rogue One (but hopefully not as uncanny): Imagine on Discovery them calling the Enterprise, and having a short exchange with ShatnerFake. That would be amazing!

    Definitely should be relegated to short appereances tough, and the issues of the rights of one's body image need to be worked out. I'd definitely prefer doing something like that with living people who can consent (Shatner agreeing to a one-off use in a cameo). Digging up dead actors seems... unethical.
     
  12. Phaser Two

    Phaser Two Commodore Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2016
    Location:
    Los Angeles
    I must the only person who was fine with the Tarkin CGI in Rogue One, and thought that the Leia CGI was near-perfect. :shrug:
     
  13. Pauln6

    Pauln6 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2009
    Location:
    Bristol, United Kingdom
    They look better on the small screen but I think it's Leia speaking that throws me. If they'd cut away from her I might have given her a hearty thumbs up.
     
  14. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2002
    Location:
    The Old Mixer, Somewhere in Connecticut
    Anson Mount as Christopher Pike. I don't even watch the show and I knew that.
     
  15. Rahul

    Rahul Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2014
    Do we know when Kirk first set foot on the Enteprise? COuld be first Officer ShatnerKirk for all that matters.

    Also, pretty condescending to suggest Discovery would get cancelled before canonically Pike leaves the Enterprise.:lol:
     
  16. UssGlenn

    UssGlenn Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2003
    Location:
    New Orleans, LA
    Yes, Kirk met Pike when he (Kirk) assumed Command of the Enterprise. So no First Officer Kirk
     
  17. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2002
    Location:
    The Old Mixer, Somewhere in Connecticut
    Plus Kirk was still a lowbie when Disco takes place.

    “Condescending”? Give me a break.
     
  18. Rahul

    Rahul Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2014
    Jesus Christ. This was about using that deepfake technology for a small cameo of a young Shatner-Kirk in a current-day production. Which I think would be a neat idea, if all the ethics stuff about using this technology would be cleared.

    I couldn't care less if that specific video call went to the early Discoprise, the Farragut or the USS Hello Kitty or wherever Kirk is canonically supposed to be at the time - which the writers of DIS could change anyway at any given moment, since they are rewriting a whole lot of canon anyway.

    That shit is really not what all this is about, and solely focusing on that part is not just completely missing the point, but being a bit unnecessarily condescending about it as well.
     
    Last edited: Sep 29, 2018
  19. JaxsBrokenHeart

    JaxsBrokenHeart Commander Red Shirt

    Joined:
    May 20, 2011


    Second DF, with a more impressive Kirk, a particularly creepy Bones, and a disappearing Spock mustache.
     
  20. Pauln6

    Pauln6 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2009
    Location:
    Bristol, United Kingdom
    Sulu was sometimes the officer of the deck. Kirk, Spock, Scotty, and McCoy were often otherwise engaged from what I recall so it's not beyond the realms of possibility for Lt Kirk of the Hood, or Farragut to appear in a communique in Discovery. It would be freaky though.

    Plus ,if they've recast Spock already, they may not balk at recasting Kirk as needed.