TOS/ENT Daedalus Class Cutaway W.I.P.

[syc]

Ok still got the insomnia!

Anywho... UPDATE



It's mostly just touch-up stuff from the last update but I did add a workshop under the shuttlebay. The idea is that there are three Stalls in the rear section of the upper Shuttlebay, that allows for a shuttle to sit inside and be maintained prior to launch.

Below two shuttles can sit on either side of the lift. For maintenance purposes.

 

[Brannigan]

Frodo Lives said:
Hey Syc, that looks fantastic, keep up the good work. :thumbsup:

Have you seen Lennier1's redesign of the Daedalus with an Enterprise era exterior?

http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=entdaedalusupd3small2kohe5.jpg

I think it's amazing and what you're doing here really fits in with it.

The sphere on the front of that version of the Daedalus reminds me of the Discovery from 2001. Is this intentional?

 

[ancient]

I love the look of the details. Some thoughts:

-I don't think every ship needs a deflector dish on it. After all, the Miranda, the oberth, and most warp shuttles don't have one. At this early stage, attempting to make the ship durable in battle would be a high priority considering that there are *no sheilds!*

This ship could actually have deflectors that are not part of the sensor system at all, and would therefor not need to point straight ahead, since they could easily wrap around the ship.

The sensors would be seperate though and could take any of the trekkian forms: Glowing domes, antenna, etc.

-On the nacelles, the dome at the rear could be more inset. The NX one was encased partly, after all. The Phoenix ones and Daedalus ones could be fully embedded with a mesh window on the back of the nacelle. This could also be the arrangement of the Pike'prise.

 

[syc]

I agree on every point you made above and I do plan on changing a few things, aligned with the suggestions you made. The thing about the deflector dish is that... In my eyes Starfleet began designing this ship during the Xindi Crisis, a fastly built ship you can throw a crap load of weapons on, to defend Earth.

So following that line of logic, Stafleet would use contemporary engineering to build it, rather then trying to design a new system for deflecting oncoming particles.

This is just the first of many variants Starfleet built. The way I envision it is that they built this ship, the Daedalus, invested all this time and money into producing as many Daedalus Class ships as they could. Then low and behold the Xindi threat is taken care of.

So now Starfleet see's the Romulans and Klingons as the more immediate threat. Having never seen the Daedalus in battle and designing it to combat Xindi ships, when the time came the Daedalus was under powered and at a disadvantage.

The Warp Nacelles and Deflectors were always the first to be targeted in combat... leading Starfleet to install newer concealed warp coiled Nacelles. Eliminating the Deflector Dish and replacing it with a more Shield like device.

Just my take on the matter.
No one ever said the Daedalus was the most amazing ship in battle and preformed at one-hundred percent efficiency.

 

[Praetor]

Nice work... I'll reiterate Ancient's points, and agree with your own. I like the idea of the initial thoughts behind Daedalus behind a hastily constructed anti-Xindi ship that found purpose in the Romulan war. And I don't really see much problem with the deflector, whichever way you decide to go with it.

I can't wait to see your next update!

 

[Frodo Lives]

Frankly, I'd say keep the deflector. Yes, we have seen later Starfleet ships that have coped without having the standard navigational deflector dish, but remember, this is an earlier time and perhaps it was only later, with the advent of proper, energy shielding that Starfleet was able to build ships without them.

And yes, while we haven't even really seen any alien ships with navigational deflectors in pretty much the entire history of Trek, we also haven't heard of any other ships besides early Starfleet using polarised hull-plating as a defense instead of traditional energy shields. Infact we haven't even heard of any other ships besides the NX-class and possibly some shuttlepods that have used it.

But keeping that in mind I'd say it was probably the Earth-Starfleet's primary ship-based defense mechanism (excluding the offensive capabilities of course, which are, as we know, the best defense), which is why I'm so fond of Lennier1's design. As far as I know he never quite finished the design, not adding many windows to the saucer or main hull besides on the bridge and near the base. But I think this would fit in with your description of the Daedalus as a hastily built, anti-Xindi warship. Less windows, less likelihood of them blowing out.

But, hey, it's all up to you with what you do with the design.

And, as an aside, are planning on adding some Deuterium and anti-matter tanks in there somewhere?

 

[syc]

UPDATE!

I've added Anti-Matter pods, Deflector Control, Engineering Computer Core, Deuterium Tanks and I've darkened the overall look of the Nacelles.

 

[Wingsley]

You're gonna love me for saying this...

Since it would be unwise to place phase-cannon silos on the topside of the aft-hull (warp nacelles and pylons would be in line of fire) would it be a good idea to have silos arranged so the cannons extend out the sides of the aft hull?

Do you thin there's a place for one aft cannon silo as well?

 

[regemet]

If you look you will see them in front of the lower impulse engine.

 

[syc]

UPDATE!

Ok its been a little while, but here it is a close to final update. I've added Escape Pods, Cargo Bay... I've only got a little bit more to do and it'll will be finished. After that I plan on doing an outside version, based off of the Lennier1 design, http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=entdaedalusupd3small2kohe5.jpg.

 

[Buck Rogers]

SVC you rock man keep up the good work love to see more of this design :thumbsup:
Signed
Buck Rogers

 

[ancient]

Looks good.

Are you going to do anything else with the front of the secondary hull to make it look like the one on the model, or are you leaving it as is?

Just wondering, since that's one of the more ambiguous elements of the old design. Not quite a deflector...not quite a sensor...

 

[syc]

UPDATE.

Ok, I've gotten lazy and taken a Mike Okuda approach, I've sorta added a couple of things not normally found on the schematics.
Ancient, I have begun to add the forward sensor array to the secondary hull. The more updates the closer I get to the end. Thanks to all of you for showing such interest in this project.

:thumbsup:

 

[Wingsley]

You know, Robbie kind of fits in on an ENT-era ship!

Thankfully, your additions are not as obnoxious as Sternbach & Okuda's. A starship is no place for Porsches and rubber duckies!

One thing I'm worried about: I don't see a shower stall or a potty on the whole ship! I'll bet that would make for a VERY unpleasant voyage!

 

[regemet]

I am really enjoying this thread which is why I am keeping it alive.

 

[Wingsley]

I agree that a ship of this era should retain at least one navi-deflector dish.

I do not think it should be located in the forward hull, however. This is just my take on it, of course, but I feel the Engine Room should be moved a little bit to make room for a re-oriented dish at the bottom-front of the aft hull. This is the "classic" traditional design for multi-hulled Federation starships. I think the "echo" communications buoys could be launched for either the hangar deck or the torpedo tubes. They shouldn't need their own dedicated tubes.

Are you planning any airlocks to be seen in the cutaway, or are they all located off-centerline?

 

[regemet]

I actually agree with Wingsley there should be a deflector dish . And I also think it should be at the front of the cylinder ,perhaps n the front of the sensor housing.

 

[syc]

Ok, well I'm rearranging the interior of the Daedalus, in the meantime I'll propose a theoretical timeline for the ENT to TOS era. This timeline will lead to the finalizing of my other two final designs, to make the ENT to TOS transition.

April 2063: Zefram Cochrane breaks the light-barrier aboard his spacecraft PHOENIX.

Mid 2067: The vessel CONESTOGA is launched to colonize the planet Terra Nova.

June 2070: The SS VALIANT departs Earth on the first mission of Exploration.

Mid 2075: The United Earth Space Probe Agency is founded.

Early 2115: The Declaration-Class enters service.

April 2119: UESPA initiates the Warp 5 Program.

December 2122: The Neptune-Class enters service.

May 2129: In an effort to simplify Science, Engineering, Theoretical and Exploration devisions, UESPA forms Starfleet.

January 2138: The Warp 5 Complex finalizes on the a design for the new NX Program.

September 2144: Designed as a initial testbed in the NX Program, the Intrepid-Class is commissioned.

April 2151: The first NX-Class vessels ENTERPRISE is launched.

Mid 2157: The Daedalus-Class enters service, turning the tide during the Earth-Romulan War.

Early 2161: The United Coalition of Planets is formed.

Late 2172: Inorder to explore the newly established regions of the Coalition, Stafleet commissions the Forrest-Class.

Early 2188: Tensions between the Coalition and the Klingon Empire rise.

Mid 2191: The Klingon Empire and the United Coalition of Planets, political talks break-down and leads to a brutal two year long armed conflict.

Late 2193: With the Klingon Conflict over, the Coalition votes on a reform, leading to the United Federation of Planets.

August 2196: To protect the newly established Klingon Neutral Zone, Starfleet commissions the Archer-Class.

 

[syc]

UPDATE... (finally)

Ok, so here it is, I've moved the engine room to the center of the secondary-hull. Above I'm going to add the particle accelerators, like on the NX-Class. I still have to add the forward sensor suite and the Nav-Deflector to the secondary hull as well. I've also begun to add an airlock to the rear section of the secondary-hull.

 

[Frodo Lives]

Are you sure about moving the Nav-Deflector to the secondary hull? The sphere would block most of it by the looks of it, and as far as I know we've never seen a ship with a Navigational Deflector which has had another part of the ship in front of it.

And on the subject of the grappler: On the NX-class it appeared to come out of the shuttle-bay, so that anything it grabs onto could be taken into the ship if it was small enough. But, then again, you could have two grapplers, one on the bottom of the ship for towing and whatnot, and the other in the shuttlebay (which we just can't see in your cross-section because it's off-centre). Up to you.

Oh, and, excellent work, btw. :thumbsup: