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TOS Computer Question

BolianAuthor

Writer, Battlestar Urantia
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Okay... I have been trying to clearly make out the text on the "white box" TOS computer, and I have figured out (I think) all but two of the words/button names... a pic is below:

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Now I have no idea WTF "terrium" and "thantux" mean, lol, but that's what those two words look like. But I need help with the two question-marked words... does anyone here know what they say?
 
Okay, well I found this HD cap, and it answers the question-marked text, and points out some mistakes I made, but I still need to know if the "thantux" word is right, lol:

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Why ask why? :)

Thanks for bringing this topic up, Bolian Author! Very interesting.

Over the years, I have often wondered what the nature of computerization would be in TOS. I came to the conclusion that Federation starships and starbases/space stations are each what we might consider "server farms", or perhaps collections of same. Each unit, whether it be a ship or a base, houses a multi-redundant network of servers that kind dish out the sum of the Federation's military, cultural and scientific knowledge in the form of stored text, images and audio/visual playbacks. In addition, these servers can provide limited simulation, analytical and problem-solving applications as well, all on voice command.

I would imagine the bridge itself is a server farm, probably housing the ship's "master computer". ("Let That Be Your Last Battlefield") Captain Kirk apparently has a server in his quarters so he can call up information and store it there, as well as analyze information and even play simulations. ("Mirror, Mirror") I would expect that the ubiquitous desktop/bedtop viewers seen constantly throughout TOS are probably microcomputers themselves, capable of accessing the ship's LAN and drawing from nearby servers. (When Scotty played Kirk's simulation in Kirk's quarters aboard the I.S.S. Enterprise, he used a data cartridge that probably served as a key for the desktop to access the simulation that was stored on Kirk's server.)

Some of the most dramatic applications of computerization in TOS were during audio/visual presentations in courtrooms and briefing rooms. ("Court Martial", "The Menagerie", "Wolf in the Fold", "The Lights of Zetar", to name a few.) Here, perhaps a server was necessary to keep all data and archives relevant to the case-at-hand and applicable procedures right there, right now.

Since shuttlecraft are themselves obviously a form of warp-capable space vessel, it should not be a surprise that they apparently carry servers, if not a whole server farm, aboard.

Why do I characterize these bulky machines as servers and server-farms? Look at it this way: the handheld units (communicators, tricorders) obviously are computers but they have limited processing abilities. (Communicators must at least contain a computer, since they obviously respond to voice commands.) The desktop/bedtop units are also obviously computers as well, as they can access more than just communications. (It's never made clear what those clipboard-style units are; they may be the 23rd-century cross between the iPad and the MacBook Air.) There does appear to be a expectation in TOS and TNG to have all ship-board computer activity come from a single computer (or array of computers) that occupies a whole room. This doesn't make sense in TOS or TNG, though, since it would pose a security risk (Want to disable a starship? Just find their computer room and sabotage everything in one location) and seems to be at odds with the obviously portable (and transportable) and decentralized nature of computing as seen in TOS and TNG. So where is the "core", where all the ship's information is stored? On arrays of servers, of course! And to keep this precious resource flowing so that the ship doesn't come to a screeching halt due to lack of computerized services, the server farms would be spread throughout the ship. (You wouldn't want one direct hit to disable the ship be taking out the entire "main core" in one shot, would you?)

Anyways, we seem to have a clue what a Federation starbase's I.T. department looks like, from the example on Starbase 11. One could imagine multiple facilities like this strategically placed throughout a starbase or starship.

So, if Chief Humbolt's work center is to be taken as a server farm / I.T. office, what are our ubiquitous bread boxes? Transportable servers, of course!

It's all speculation based on deduction, but that's the way I've come to look at it.

Thanks again for this thread.
 
This is good speculation. But I always allow for the possibility that computers in ST may be beyond what we know today as computers.

Today when we speak of memory and LANs and servers and so on... what would that mean in relation to computers of 50 years ago?

One hundred years ago, what we know today as computer technology was unknown as a "computer".


So what of one hundred years from today?
Our LANs and servers and wifi and petabtyes may be as obsolete as punchcards and vacuum tubes are today.

I know ST has tried to show computer technology as similar to our own, speaking of file downloads and uplinks and memory cores and ODN connections.
But I think we should allow ST computer technology to be advanced as beyond anything comparable to our current systems.

Allow for some computer systems and technologies which have no modern-day equivalent, I guess.

In any case, I DO like these analyses of TOS computers!
Make sense of the boxes with blinkies, please.
 
Anyways, we seem to have a clue what a Federation starbase's I.T. department looks like, from the example on Starbase 11. One could imagine multiple facilities like this strategically placed throughout a starbase or starship.

If Starbase 11 were to be shown in an Abramsverse-era movie, then would its computer room also be a redress of the Enterprise engine room? Given what was used to depict the engine room in the new movie, I guess the computer's speed could be measured in terms of hops rather than flops. :lol:
 
Well, I totally agree that each starship/starbase is likely it's own server farm... as I was debating with TOS Purist over AIM, I would speculate that what you or him would call a TOS "sever farm" is the same as what TNG calls a computer core... just a semantics difference, since both TOS and TNG computers are linked via some future-wazoo "WiFi", and all the small personal computers can access the information in the "server rooms" or computer cores.
 
So what of one hundred years from today? Our LANs and servers and wifi and petabtyes may be as obsolete as punchcards and vacuum tubes are today.

I know ST has tried to show computer technology as similar to our own, speaking of file downloads and uplinks and memory cores and ODN connections.
And that tendency to draw on familiar present-day technology has, unfortunately, dated the show -- whether it’s references to “tapes” and “printed circuits” in TOS or “chips” and “mainframes” in TNG. It’s as if Jules Verne had written about a future system for beaming live images around the world using a network of high-powered electric arc lamps, lenses and mirrors.

Why the interest in this prop?
Does a geek need a reason? :lol:
 
^^^ But Picard never used it as a laptop.
Since we only ever saw it on his desktop, that would make it a pretty slim desktop computer.
(but i get your point)
 
Well, if anyone has any idea what the word/text on the button in the shadow right under the crewman's hand is, I'd like to know.
 
The panel displaus "Terbium," which is a real element, From wiki:
Terbium is a silvery-white rare earthmetal that is malleable, ductile and soft enough to be cut with a knife. It is relatively stable in air as compared to other lanthanides.[1] Terbium exists in two crystal allotropes with a transformation temperature of 1289 °C between them.[2]
 
that tendency to draw on familiar present-day technology has, unfortunately, dated the show -- whether it’s references to “tapes” and “printed circuits” in TOS or “chips” and “mainframes” in TNG.

A lot of this sort of stuff can be rationalized away via handwavium. Let's say the 'tapes' of TOS consist of a film of some super-holographic ultra-dense storage medium that allows one to record massive amounts of data in funky ways, and that the medium itself physically resembles a film or tape (incased in the technicolor housing we see in TOS of course!) We have USB 'thumb drives' today but they don't employ the use of actual thumbs, after all. Maybe the long form of 'tapes' is 'Quadro-Linear Holomatrix Datafilm'. Or whatever.
 
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