Torchwood: Miracle Day premiere date

[Bob The Skutter]

Well in the case of nuBSG, Sky One did co-fund S1 of it, so just like Startz co funded Miracle Day they can show it before the other co-funder. The issue is did a network other than Sky air nuBSG before it aired on Sci-Fi.

As for ITV not finaced by the License fee, same with Sky who aired SG-1/SG: As I recall with SG-1/SG:A the UK might have aired a few days ahead of the US.

Farscape and SG1 aired up to a month ahead, when the US stopped for the winter break over Christmas they just kept on airing here.
All I was saying was it's not unprecedented for it to happen. Not knowing the conditions of the deal it could be a matter of Starz owning the international rights and BBC only owning the UK rights with BBC Worldwide working as the production company. So in that case it would be more along the lines of a US show with BBC Co-funding.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

As for ITV not finaced by the License fee, same with Sky who aired SG-1/SG: As I recall with SG-1/SG:A the UK might have aired a few days ahead of the US.

IIRC the used to start showing a Season after the US but finish before them for some reason.

Babylon 5 frequently aired on Channel 4 before it did in the US too and they certainly didn't fund it in any way.

It started in the US, then took the mid-season break of around 6 weeks, but Sky only took christmas week off, so often ended up 5 weeks ahead.

 

[The Wormhole]

As for ITV not finaced by the License fee, same with Sky who aired SG-1/SG: As I recall with SG-1/SG:A the UK might have aired a few days ahead of the US.

Actually, SG-1 would air in the UK several months before it did in the US. As an example, they finished the final season in March 2007, while SyFy didn't begin airing the second half of the season until April 2007.

I think part of this was just SyFy being reatarded. Take Atlantis's 3rd season, which also aired 2006/2007. I don't know about UK airdates, but TMN in Canada aired the finale of the season in Janurary or February 2007, while SyFy again didn't begin airing the second half until April 2007.

 

[wamdue]

for what its worth im not saying Starz cant air it fiirst, it paid the bills after all, but the BBC really should keep it as close to Starz airdate as possible, by which I mean less than 7 days.

 

[MacLeod]

Well in the case of nuBSG, Sky One did co-fund S1 of it, so just like Startz co funded Miracle Day they can show it before the other co-funder. The issue is did a network other than Sky air nuBSG before it aired on Sci-Fi.

As for ITV not finaced by the License fee, same with Sky who aired SG-1/SG: As I recall with SG-1/SG:A the UK might have aired a few days ahead of the US.

Farscape and SG1 aired up to a month ahead, when the US stopped for the winter break over Christmas they just kept on airing here.
All I was saying was it's not unprecedented for it to happen. Not knowing the conditions of the deal it could be a matter of Starz owning the international rights and BBC only owning the UK rights with BBC Worldwide working as the production company. So in that case it would be more along the lines of a US show with BBC Co-funding.

Don't think many people are objecting too much about Startz airing it first as a co-funder of the show, the issue is with others getting it before the UK. Without knowing the details of deal, it would make more sense for BBC Worldwide to handle the international distruibtion rights, as more people will have heard of the BBC than Startz

 

[Savage Jaw]

If it is like other US shows, then Starz will be paying BBC Worldwide Productions a licence fee which will cover TV rights and video-on-demand rights for a set period of time. The BBC still owns and maintains future control of the Torchwood intellectual property. It now seems that, as part of that licencing agreement, Starz has the right to show episodes of Torchwood first before any other TV network or channel in the world. Starz will retain the rights for US broadcast for a while but eventually they will lapse unless they renew them with BBC Worldwide, like how repeat showings of BSG are now shown on BBCA as Syfy have tired of them.

I don't know for sure, but as far as I can tell, it is BBC Worldwide as the owner of BBC Worldwide Productions who are selling the international rights to Torchwood around the world, and will also be handling the DVD/Blu-rays, although it is possible Starz will be getting a small cut of the returns on those.

 

[Venardhi]

A fairly large cut I suspect since pay cable shows usually need dvd sales to be financially sound. I would bet that the BBC's contribution was mostly in the use of their ip, existing properties like the makeup, etc. They don't seem overly inclines to put much in financially so most of the financial back end will probably go to starz.

 

[StCoop]

Interview with RTD here which talks about the rights situation amongst other things. http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jun/26/interview-russell-t-davies

 

[timothy]

well for those who have dvr's miracle day is now ready to record.

 

[Deckerd]

Interview with RTD here which talks about the rights situation amongst other things. http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jun/26/interview-russell-t-davies

It was touching what he said about Elisabeth Sladen.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

If it is like other US shows, then Starz will be paying BBC Worldwide Productions a licence fee which will cover TV rights and video-on-demand rights for a set period of time. The BBC still owns and maintains future control of the Torchwood intellectual property. It now seems that, as part of that licencing agreement, Starz has the right to show episodes of Torchwood first before any other TV network or channel in the world. Starz will retain the rights for US broadcast for a while but eventually they will lapse unless they renew them with BBC Worldwide, like how repeat showings of BSG are now shown on BBCA as Syfy have tired of them.

I don't know for sure, but as far as I can tell, it is BBC Worldwide as the owner of BBC Worldwide Productions who are selling the international rights to Torchwood around the world, and will also be handling the DVD/Blu-rays, although it is possible Starz will be getting a small cut of the returns on those.

I think it's different than most shows in that I believe Starz is not just investing money but really has a hand in the creation of this show. I don't think they're just paying (twice the usual budget according to RTD) for temporary broadcast rights.

 

[Deckerd]

I think Torchwood is sufficiently divorced from Doctor Who that the BBC would be comfortable with letting someone else take the financial burden even if it meant it essentially became an American show. TW started on BBC Three, remember, as a sort of project. It's never really got away from that parochial (sorry Cardiff) low budget, daftness. Children of the Earth was the first time I've seen it take itself seriously and although a successful experiment, it turned out to be too expensive for the Beeb.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

I think Torchwood is sufficiently divorced from Doctor Who that the BBC would be comfortable with letting someone else take the financial burden even if it meant it essentially became an American show. TW started on BBC Three, remember, as a sort of project. It's never really got away from that parochial (sorry Cardiff) low budget, daftness. Children of the Earth was the first time I've seen it take itself seriously and although a successful experiment, it turned out to be too expensive for the Beeb.

Well they kind of already have. Starz with the lion's share of the cost are also getting the lion's share of the rights from the looks of that interview. To be fair, from what was said in that interview, it looks like this is also an experiment with the new way of funding shows.

 

[Savage Jaw]

If it is like other US shows, then Starz will be paying BBC Worldwide Productions a licence fee which will cover TV rights and video-on-demand rights for a set period of time. The BBC still owns and maintains future control of the Torchwood intellectual property. It now seems that, as part of that licencing agreement, Starz has the right to show episodes of Torchwood first before any other TV network or channel in the world. Starz will retain the rights for US broadcast for a while but eventually they will lapse unless they renew them with BBC Worldwide, like how repeat showings of BSG are now shown on BBCA as Syfy have tired of them.

I don't know for sure, but as far as I can tell, it is BBC Worldwide as the owner of BBC Worldwide Productions who are selling the international rights to Torchwood around the world, and will also be handling the DVD/Blu-rays, although it is possible Starz will be getting a small cut of the returns on those.

I think it's different than most shows in that I believe Starz is not just investing money but really has a hand in the creation of this show. I don't think they're just paying (twice the usual budget according to RTD) for temporary broadcast rights.

That is normal though. US networks always keep a very close eye on the development of shows, and as the primary funder of this season, that is to be expected.

Think of a show like The West Wing. NBC broadcasted it, and would have a say in the development of the show because, after all, if they did not like the direction of it, they could cancel it, but only because it was licensed to NBC by Warner Bros. Television, who own the property of the show. Warner Bros. can, providing other licenses have expired, decide to license repeat rights to another network.

As I said, unless it is different for this production, Starz's rights for U.S. broadcast and video-on-demand rights will eventually lapse and revert back to BBC Worldwide.

 

[Brendan Moody]

Den of Geek is now reporting that Miracle Day will premiere on BBC One on Thursday 14th July at 9:00 PM. They say their source is the BBC. No idea how reliable the site is.

 

[StCoop]

Den of Geek is now reporting that Miracle Day will premiere on BBC One on Thursday 14th July at 9:00 PM. They say their source is the BBC. No idea how reliable the site is.

I don't care anymore. I'll take the uncensored US version over the 'censored with a couple of minutes of padding to bring it up to an hour' UK version.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

^There's a difference between censored and alternative versions. Might check out both versions just to see the difference though.

 

[Deckerd]

^There's a difference between censored and alternative versions. Might check out both versions just to see the difference though.

I'm with you on gratuitousness for the sake of gratuitousness, though. A lot of the sleaze that went on in TW was just RTD and his more flamboyant cast doing a circle jerk.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

^There's a difference between censored and alternative versions. Might check out both versions just to see the difference though.

I'm with you on gratuitousness for the sake of gratuitousness, though. A lot of the sleaze that went on in TW was just RTD and his more flamboyant cast doing a circle jerk.

Yeah, gratuitousness for the sake of it generally just makes me want to switch off. I think they even said on Torchwood Declassified they just wanted to push it as far as they could because it was an "adult" show.

 

[Deckerd]

Well frankly that's not a good enough reason. At least in True Blood (not your choice I know, for the same reasons) the sex and gore is an intrinsic part of the plot and not something done ad hoc because the writer wants to see two actors at it like rabbits before getting back to the actual plot. It's like a kind of potter's wheel for the prurient.