Torchwood: MD 4x07 - Immortal Sins (Grade/Discuss) SPOILERS
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Wow, that was quite a tonal shift from the last episode. Interesting direction they've gone in and I'm not quite sure of what to make of it all. So is Miracle Day all a result of Jack's dalliances? 
Kind of a relief to take a break from Rex though.
The thread in SF/F about the new gay character on Warehouse 13 seems kind of quaint after this one.
Good to see Nana Visitor again, I don't know that I've seen her since DS9.
And explicit reference to the Doctor as well!
Kind of a relief to take a break from Rex though.The thread in SF/F about the new gay character on Warehouse 13 seems kind of quaint after this one.
Good to see Nana Visitor again, I don't know that I've seen her since DS9.
And explicit reference to the Doctor as well!
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Good:
- Finally felt like Torchwood (first, this year)
- Alien thingy
- Doctor mentioned
- Nana Visitor
Bad:
- So obvious twists
- Waaaay too much man-on-man action (and I had no problem with episode 3)
- Why didn't we get to this part of the story like three episodes ago?
The best episode of the year yet, but still nowhere near as good as the worst episode of Children of Earth
- Finally felt like Torchwood (first, this year)
- Alien thingy
- Doctor mentioned
- Nana Visitor
Bad:
- So obvious twists
- Waaaay too much man-on-man action (and I had no problem with episode 3)
- Why didn't we get to this part of the story like three episodes ago?
The best episode of the year yet, but still nowhere near as good as the worst episode of Children of Earth
I gave it above av, compared to the last couple of excellents, but I felt they were pretty much on the same level(I wish we had 10 options rather than five - no nuances! 
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Mmm, not entirely sure about this long flashback. And one thing occurred - didn't he acquire the Harkness name just before WW2? Ah, wait, he's travelled through time, my bad.
The torture scene was pretty full on.
Gwen was as tough as I've ever seen her.
Good to see Nana Visitor. And good to see Rex and Esther actually displaying some smarts.
But the next 3 eps are going to have to rock pretty hard to get a decent story told.
Still enjoying it though.
)Mmm, not entirely sure about this long flashback. And one thing occurred - didn't he acquire the Harkness name just before WW2? Ah, wait, he's travelled through time, my bad.
The torture scene was pretty full on.
Gwen was as tough as I've ever seen her.
Good to see Nana Visitor. And good to see Rex and Esther actually displaying some smarts.
But the next 3 eps are going to have to rock pretty hard to get a decent story told.
Still enjoying it though.
Too much man-on-man action, would have preferred they cast a female in the role, not male. But besides that stuff, it was a pretty good episode, felt almost Doctor Who'ish for a few moments. When Jack was running to find the box, opened it, that whole scene, then say Run, it really did feel like The Doctor and his Companion, so that was nice, and the reference to the Doctor too. Nice to see some old names dropped we are familiar with Trixter Brigade. I'm wondering if the 3 mean who made this pact are humans, or aliens, probably just humans, but here's hoping. I too fear the answer is going to be easy, blood powered, like we've seen in a previous Doctor Who episode about blood control, the aliens that could control people of certain blood types through blood. I hope it isn't as simple as that though.
lalalalalala!
I'm ten minutes in and there's only one thing to say is that THERE ARE DALEKS IN NEW YORK IN 1927... Well, at least there might have been if everything about the empire State Bulding was from their devising and not just somethign they co-opted at the 11th hour.
Oh look...
Even more gay sex.
Shhhh.
I'm ten minutes in and there's only one thing to say is that THERE ARE DALEKS IN NEW YORK IN 1927... Well, at least there might have been if everything about the empire State Bulding was from their devising and not just somethign they co-opted at the 11th hour.
Oh look...
Even more gay sex.
Shhhh.
And that is how you do an episode of Torchwood. Which means there's really no excuse for the rest of the season sucking so hard, but whatever.
One thing worth mentioning is the delta logo we've been seeing all season probably originated with that funny three-way pact gesture the mystery men made when Jack was chained up. My money's on them still being alive and running the whole scheme, in some capacity.
It gave me a start when Jack mentioned the Trickster's brigade creating a time paradox and feeding off the results, as it made me think of this from the Weeping Angels thread:
It'll never happen that the Angels are the big bads, but it would be a hell of a reveal if they were. Just imagine all the potential energy they could feast on, screwing with so many lives all at once.
Then again, given that the one episode that gave us answers is also the one filled with Doctor Who fanwank, who knows?
One thing worth mentioning is the delta logo we've been seeing all season probably originated with that funny three-way pact gesture the mystery men made when Jack was chained up. My money's on them still being alive and running the whole scheme, in some capacity.
It gave me a start when Jack mentioned the Trickster's brigade creating a time paradox and feeding off the results, as it made me think of this from the Weeping Angels thread:
It'll never happen that the Angels are the big bads, but it would be a hell of a reveal if they were. Just imagine all the potential energy they could feast on, screwing with so many lives all at once.
Then again, given that the one episode that gave us answers is also the one filled with Doctor Who fanwank, who knows?
Agreed with most of the above comments.
I feel like it took 5 episodes too long to get to any of the material I actually cared about.
And this really did feel like the first episode that in any way or shape actually resembled Torchwood.
Figures that Jane Espenson wrote the episode considering the only other one's I've liked have been her's and part's of RTD's.
I feel like it took 5 episodes too long to get to any of the material I actually cared about.
And this really did feel like the first episode that in any way or shape actually resembled Torchwood.
Figures that Jane Espenson wrote the episode considering the only other one's I've liked have been her's and part's of RTD's.
The way this episode was set up was very Joss Whedon-esque. It reminded me of those episodes of Angel where they'd flash back to something in his past, and then we'd go back to the present day, and the guy from the past would turn out to be the antagonist. Not surprising, really, considering Whedon veteran Jane Espenson wrote this ep.
I did like this ep, for the most part. Better than most of the rest of Miracle Day so far. We finally got a few answers. It was great to get a mention of the Doctor (I thought that they'd never allow that on Starz), and it was nice to see Kira (and Q in the previews for next week :P). So the Bajorans are responsible for Miracle Day?
The Good
Finally, some answers, and some real meat to the story
Less Rex and Esther, more focus on Jack and Gwen, the originals.
Mentions of the Doctor and the Trickster brigade. Loved that
Jane Espenson
Gwen taser action!
PC Andy gets to cap someone, finally! :P
Kira!
The Bad
Torture porn
The Ugly
I know this is Torchwood, but that man on man scene was waaaay too much. I was watching this with my parents! They could have cut this back, and still got the point across. I thought ep 3 was bad enough, but whoa
I did like this ep, for the most part. Better than most of the rest of Miracle Day so far. We finally got a few answers. It was great to get a mention of the Doctor (I thought that they'd never allow that on Starz), and it was nice to see Kira (and Q in the previews for next week :P). So the Bajorans are responsible for Miracle Day?
The Good
Finally, some answers, and some real meat to the story
Less Rex and Esther, more focus on Jack and Gwen, the originals.
Mentions of the Doctor and the Trickster brigade. Loved that
Jane Espenson
Gwen taser action!
PC Andy gets to cap someone, finally! :P
Kira!
The Bad
Torture porn
The Ugly
I know this is Torchwood, but that man on man scene was waaaay too much. I was watching this with my parents! They could have cut this back, and still got the point across. I thought ep 3 was bad enough, but whoa
As someone who likes man on man, that rocked. Now you know what I go through when I see a show with graphic heterosexuality, gentlemen!
I was impressed with the chemistry between the two guys because I usually find Barrowman to be a bit of an emotional dead fish. Love seeing Kira as not-Kira!
And FINALLY some alien content!
Now you know what I go through when I see a show with graphic heterosexuality, gentlemen! I was impressed with the chemistry between the two guys because I usually find Barrowman to be a bit of an emotional dead fish. Love seeing Kira as not-Kira!
And FINALLY some alien content!
Too much gay sex?? Seriously? At least this time it was relevant to the story. I'm still convinced the lot of you are homophobes.
Just yesterday I saw her on Doogie Howser.
After Rose made him immortal she deposited him into the last years of the 19th century, Whereafter he spent a century working for Torchwood waiting for the Doctor... But you know that.
No Rose didn't put him in the 19th century, he tried to use his Vortex Manipulator and overshot the "Modern Era" after which it shorted out.
Or at least that's how I remember it.
Or at least that's how I remember it.
FINALLY! The story is at last moving forward but is this really going to be about some nice Italian Catholic boy that Jack loved and left?!? 
And how are they going to wrap up the Oswald Danes & Jilly Kitzinger sub-plots plus the long-delayed Big Bad reveal in just 3 episodes if they continue the rather glacial pacing of this series? Nice to see Nana Visitor, though, and a glimpse of John DeLancey for next week.
Overall, I'm finding this series a disappointment, I must say. Here's hoping that the next edition of Torchwood is back in BBC control.
Oh, and yeah, there are definitely some homophobes posting here. My only complaint about the sex scenes was that they (again) slowed the flow of the story. Gratuitous sex is gratuitous sex, regardless of the pairings.
And how are they going to wrap up the Oswald Danes & Jilly Kitzinger sub-plots plus the long-delayed Big Bad reveal in just 3 episodes if they continue the rather glacial pacing of this series? Nice to see Nana Visitor, though, and a glimpse of John DeLancey for next week.Overall, I'm finding this series a disappointment, I must say. Here's hoping that the next edition of Torchwood is back in BBC control.
Oh, and yeah, there are definitely some homophobes posting here. My only complaint about the sex scenes was that they (again) slowed the flow of the story. Gratuitous sex is gratuitous sex, regardless of the pairings.
There was a continuity flub I noticed. Jack didn't have his WWII coat with him when he first joined Torchwood, he'd left it on the TARDIS. Presumably, he got a new one in World War II, but he was already wearing it in the flashback. Also, he knew about the Doctor's explanation for why he couldn't die. The best workaround I can think of is that this was during Jack's second go-around, after he got buried alive, and Torchwood unfroze him for a special job. It's playing with fire, considering his past self was also working for them, but Torchwood and institutional stupidity go together like peas and carrots.