Torchwood: MD 4x05 - The Categories Of Life (Grade/Discuss) SPOILERS
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See, in my view, it's Torchwood in the same way Children of Earth was Torchwood. The first two seasons of Torchwood weren't afraid to be campy. They generally embraced it. CoE rejected all that. They took Torchwood the agency and put it out of its element. The goal was to tell a compelling story and to make it grand. In that view, I think it's the same here.
The difference is they're cautious about embracing the past of the show. Everything referenced is introduced to a new audience and only that which is necessary is referenced. So in that sense, I could see it being a bit jarring. But as far as tone and narrative goes, I don't think it's all that different from CoE.
See, in my view, it's Torchwood in the same way Children of Earth was Torchwood. The first two seasons of Torchwood weren't afraid to be campy. They generally embraced it. CoE rejected all that. They took Torchwood the agency and put it out of its element. The goal was to tell a compelling story and to make it grand. In that view, I think it's the same here.
The difference is they're cautious about embracing the past of the show. Everything referenced is introduced to a new audience and only that which is necessary is referenced. So in that sense, I could see it being a bit jarring. But as far as tone and narrative goes, I don't think it's all that different from CoE.
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^ This is exactly the same feeling that I have with Miracle Day. Well said.
^ This is exactly the same feeling that I have with Miracle Day. Well said.
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So Rex Matheson decided to admit himself into an overflow camp... that's not exactly a terrible idea except for the fact that he used his real name. It has already been established that there's people in the CIA hunting the Torchwood team. How they're not able to find/eliminate/put up some resistance at the camp is laughable.
Also Phicor and the military can't spare just a dozen guards for the Death Chambers?
So Rex Matheson decided to admit himself into an overflow camp... that's not exactly a terrible idea except for the fact that he used his real name. It has already been established that there's people in the CIA hunting the Torchwood team. How they're not able to find/eliminate/put up some resistance at the camp is laughable.
Also Phicor and the military can't spare just a dozen guards for the Death Chambers?
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Thanks, that's interesting. It speaks to one thing I didn't really like about the episode:
"I just kept that description and wrote to it as well as I could. He was a great character to write – he's a great condensed example of one of the key themes of this season – that the big enemy really is the sort of depths to which humanity will sink, not out of evil, but out of fear. He's that scared little human who plunges first into those depths."
I felt this would be more effective if he wasn't all misogynistic, if he was a kind-of decent fellow pushed beyond his abilities and limits by a situation which calls for hard decisions that he's not qualified to make. Making him someone who doesn't know that "Dr. Vera Juarez" could possibly be a woman undercuts that message, since we think he's awful from the beginning.
Thanks, that's interesting. It speaks to one thing I didn't really like about the episode:
"I just kept that description and wrote to it as well as I could. He was a great character to write – he's a great condensed example of one of the key themes of this season – that the big enemy really is the sort of depths to which humanity will sink, not out of evil, but out of fear. He's that scared little human who plunges first into those depths."
I felt this would be more effective if he wasn't all misogynistic, if he was a kind-of decent fellow pushed beyond his abilities and limits by a situation which calls for hard decisions that he's not qualified to make. Making him someone who doesn't know that "Dr. Vera Juarez" could possibly be a woman undercuts that message, since we think he's awful from the beginning.
My impression is that once they threatened Newman, the CIA stopped looking for them, probably because they were superseded-- the agent from episode 4 seemed to be an independent operative. Of course, why the Triangle didn't someone else is a good question.
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C. Thomas Howell's merc character was undoubtedly working for the entity or whatever is above PhiCorp. He seemed to know enough about them to almost spill the beans. I just thought we've not yet encountered John deLancie or Nana Visitors characters yet. We get to meet Ernie Hudson's character next week which should be good. I have enjoyed the use of the guest stars so far.
Rex used his real name as well because he probably knew the overflow camps were not organized yet and would not be able to determine right away who he was. Plus that they're probably where he would have been sent anyways when the CIA was after him.
C. Thomas Howell's merc character was undoubtedly working for the entity or whatever is above PhiCorp. He seemed to know enough about them to almost spill the beans. I just thought we've not yet encountered John deLancie or Nana Visitors characters yet. We get to meet Ernie Hudson's character next week which should be good. I have enjoyed the use of the guest stars so far.
Rex used his real name as well because he probably knew the overflow camps were not organized yet and would not be able to determine right away who he was. Plus that they're probably where he would have been sent anyways when the CIA was after him.
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Thank you. Thematically, I think it touches on stuff that Torchwood has addressed previously. The whole thing with the glove and Owen is a good example. However, instead of demons from the underworld, it takes a look at the consequences if death weren't a reality.
Any reason they'd want to? Torchwood treated the module like it was some benefit for Phicor, but, in the end, it just seems to be a way to get rid of the bodies.
Thank you. Thematically, I think it touches on stuff that Torchwood has addressed previously. The whole thing with the glove and Owen is a good example. However, instead of demons from the underworld, it takes a look at the consequences if death weren't a reality.
Any reason they'd want to? Torchwood treated the module like it was some benefit for Phicor, but, in the end, it just seems to be a way to get rid of the bodies.
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It IS rather a large secret... or they wouldn't keep it a secret. So, shouldn't there be SOME guards? It's off the maps. It's hard to get into. Yet, Rex is just wandering around it?
It IS rather a large secret... or they wouldn't keep it a secret. So, shouldn't there be SOME guards? It's off the maps. It's hard to get into. Yet, Rex is just wandering around it?
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Could it also be that Rex wanted to create a paper trail showing him dead? He did go in knowing that he would be reclassified as Category 1. Part of Esther's job may have been to change it in the computer system as well.
Could it also be that Rex wanted to create a paper trail showing him dead? He did go in knowing that he would be reclassified as Category 1. Part of Esther's job may have been to change it in the computer system as well.
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They pretty much wrote Owen that way, I don't think anybody cried when he died the first time but the second time he died at the same time that Toshi died so there are some parallels.
They pretty much wrote Owen that way, I don't think anybody cried when he died the first time but the second time he died at the same time that Toshi died so there are some parallels.
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By the time they killed Owen off for good, he was a much more interesting character than he was in the first series.
Edited to add. To be more specific, he was a more engaging and compelling character. Not necessarily likable, hang out, but, I was actually interested and invested in him.
By the time they killed Owen off for good, he was a much more interesting character than he was in the first series.
Edited to add. To be more specific, he was a more engaging and compelling character. Not necessarily likable, hang out, but, I was actually interested and invested in him.
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^ Agreed. I loved the reference to him in the first episode.
^ Agreed. I loved the reference to him in the first episode.
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Owen is running through the UK series "The Hour" as the Baddie and Ianto got a speaking part in Warehouse 13 the other night.
Where is Tosh hiding?
Owen is running through the UK series "The Hour" as the Baddie and Ianto got a speaking part in Warehouse 13 the other night.
Where is Tosh hiding?
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And that's 26 eps. combining the first two seasons of Torchwood all Rex has had so is five. Owen never acknowledged Toshi's feelings for him and he treated Gwqen like trash in the first season having sex with her and just letting her hang afterward. And Owen death showed him desperate and crying to Toshi who was dying as well and couldn't help him at all.
And that's 26 eps. combining the first two seasons of Torchwood all Rex has had so is five. Owen never acknowledged Toshi's feelings for him and he treated Gwqen like trash in the first season having sex with her and just letting her hang afterward. And Owen death showed him desperate and crying to Toshi who was dying as well and couldn't help him at all.
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She played Yoko Ono to Eccleston's Lennon and she appeared on Private Practice.
She played Yoko Ono to Eccleston's Lennon and she appeared on Private Practice.
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I have a feeling that if Esther does actually have feelings for Rex as I suggested there isn't going to be a moment where it's revealed. It won't be a Tosh/Owen type deal.
I have a feeling that if Esther does actually have feelings for Rex as I suggested there isn't going to be a moment where it's revealed. It won't be a Tosh/Owen type deal.
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I thought there was something familiar about the rude doctor. He's the guy who made Sam Adama cry.
I thought there was something familiar about the rude doctor. He's the guy who made Sam Adama cry.
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^ Agreed.
^ Agreed.
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He's basically the same guy he was in Lie to Me.
That's just how he does a tough G-Man.
Did he have any depth on ER?
He's basically the same guy he was in Lie to Me.
That's just how he does a tough G-Man.
Did he have any depth on ER?
