Torchwood: MD 4x05 - The Categories Of Life (Grade/Discuss) SPOILERS
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The US is about a week ahead of the UK.
The US is about a week ahead of the UK.
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US Canada gets it's Friday amd the UK gets it the following Thursday (At least from our perspective)
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There's this thing called money, and Starz gave the beeb fucking barrels of it.
There's this thing called money, and Starz gave the beeb fucking barrels of it.
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Actually Canada gets it Sat night.
Actually Canada gets it Sat night.
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Are you suggesting they are PURPOSEFULLY writing Rex as a douche? I don't think that's the case. I think we're supposed to be on Rex's side, feeling Rex's pain, etc, etc.
I'm shocked and saddened because now I'm stuck with a character I don't like, while losing a character I did.
I AM glad they had the guts to kill off a main character, that's good, but, main... it's like killing off Radar so now we're stuck with Klinger.
Are you suggesting they are PURPOSEFULLY writing Rex as a douche? I don't think that's the case. I think we're supposed to be on Rex's side, feeling Rex's pain, etc, etc.
I'm shocked and saddened because now I'm stuck with a character I don't like, while losing a character I did.
I AM glad they had the guts to kill off a main character, that's good, but, main... it's like killing off Radar so now we're stuck with Klinger.
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And I'd take Klinger over Radar any day. Klinger actually had some depth and growth as a character. Radar..? Same old naive virgin farm boy from Iowa episode after episode.
And I'd take Klinger over Radar any day. Klinger actually had some depth and growth as a character. Radar..? Same old naive virgin farm boy from Iowa episode after episode.
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I don't know if they've purposefully written Rex as an unlikeable character. I think he has just wound up that way because of the way he acts and treats the Torchwood name and characters. He doesn't understand any of the type of things that Jack and Gwen have been involved with and simply dismisses Jack's claims. I like Rex personally, I dunno why but I do. He's an interesting character and it will be interesting to see if he eventually does come around to understanding just exactly how things are or not.
Vera's "death" (remember she's not technically dead, she's literally burned to a crisp but still alive that is what makes what happened all the more tragic) shocked me. I was expecting something nasty to one of the main four characters not someone like Vera. Although I should have expected it...Russell can be a lot like Joss Whedon with his characters at times.
I don't know if they've purposefully written Rex as an unlikeable character. I think he has just wound up that way because of the way he acts and treats the Torchwood name and characters. He doesn't understand any of the type of things that Jack and Gwen have been involved with and simply dismisses Jack's claims. I like Rex personally, I dunno why but I do. He's an interesting character and it will be interesting to see if he eventually does come around to understanding just exactly how things are or not.
Vera's "death" (remember she's not technically dead, she's literally burned to a crisp but still alive that is what makes what happened all the more tragic) shocked me. I was expecting something nasty to one of the main four characters not someone like Vera. Although I should have expected it...Russell can be a lot like Joss Whedon with his characters at times.
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I do. All of the other characters hate Rex, and Jack, the hero, is constantly putting him down and making fun of him for our benefit. They even started him off in an antagonistic role to our heroes and he indirectly almost caused the death of Jack on the plane. Either the writers want the audience to dislike Rex or these are the most incompetent writers I've seen since Torchwood series 1.
I do. All of the other characters hate Rex, and Jack, the hero, is constantly putting him down and making fun of him for our benefit. They even started him off in an antagonistic role to our heroes and he indirectly almost caused the death of Jack on the plane. Either the writers want the audience to dislike Rex or these are the most incompetent writers I've seen since Torchwood series 1.
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Esther clearly does not hate Rex and most likely has some kind of romantic feelings towards him, at least that is what I get implied. Vera obviously didn't either. Just Gwen and Jack have a somewhat antagonistic relationship with Rex. Jack is somewhat playful with it, while Gwen is probably still pissed he separated her from her family.
Esther clearly does not hate Rex and most likely has some kind of romantic feelings towards him, at least that is what I get implied. Vera obviously didn't either. Just Gwen and Jack have a somewhat antagonistic relationship with Rex. Jack is somewhat playful with it, while Gwen is probably still pissed he separated her from her family.
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No, but I think they realize the doctor is a more appealing character.
I don't really understand the Rex hate anyway, but to each his own. Still, his death would have saddened me less, which is why this had more impact.
No, but I think they realize the doctor is a more appealing character.
I don't really understand the Rex hate anyway, but to each his own. Still, his death would have saddened me less, which is why this had more impact.
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Here's some interesting commentary from Jane Espenson about the episode.
Here's some interesting commentary from Jane Espenson about the episode.
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While I understand the inclination to do so, I think it's a bit premature to be comparing Miracle Day to Children of Earth, mainly because we're only halfway through Miracle Day.
That being said, Miracle Day is very obviously a wildly different beast than Children of Earth. More than a few times I've found myself saying "This isn't Torchwood, it's another show and Jack, Gwen and Rhys are appearing on it." I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing yet. Despite this feeling there have been elements of each episode so far that I have found enjoyable. This episode was no different -- the ending especially was rather brutal and thus effective because they have (seemingly) killed off one of the better, new characters. About the only negative to this I foresee is Rex becoming more intolerable to be around/watch.
While I understand the inclination to do so, I think it's a bit premature to be comparing Miracle Day to Children of Earth, mainly because we're only halfway through Miracle Day.
That being said, Miracle Day is very obviously a wildly different beast than Children of Earth. More than a few times I've found myself saying "This isn't Torchwood, it's another show and Jack, Gwen and Rhys are appearing on it." I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing yet. Despite this feeling there have been elements of each episode so far that I have found enjoyable. This episode was no different -- the ending especially was rather brutal and thus effective because they have (seemingly) killed off one of the better, new characters. About the only negative to this I foresee is Rex becoming more intolerable to be around/watch.
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^ I share similar feelings as you 005 but except without the "this isn't Torchword, or it's missing something". I get a very clear sense of it being Torchwood.
^ I share similar feelings as you 005 but except without the "this isn't Torchword, or it's missing something". I get a very clear sense of it being Torchwood.
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Yeah, but you love everything.
As for Episode 6, it's going to be interesting (I hope) to watch the ramifications of Rex's videotaping Vera's death and what he (and Jack, Esther and Gwen) will do about it.
Alternatively, does getting charbroiled mean Vera actually is dead? Or will she just continue on as a charred corpse? Would her ashes be able to reconstitute into some form of a body? And if so, would Rex still hit that?
Tune in next week.
Yeah, but you love everything.
As for Episode 6, it's going to be interesting (I hope) to watch the ramifications of Rex's videotaping Vera's death and what he (and Jack, Esther and Gwen) will do about it.
Alternatively, does getting charbroiled mean Vera actually is dead? Or will she just continue on as a charred corpse? Would her ashes be able to reconstitute into some form of a body? And if so, would Rex still hit that?
Tune in next week.
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^ This is partially true, I do tend to love a lot of things that others don't.
I tend to think that Vera was charred alive and is still conscience along with the other bodies in those modules. We have seen people get their heads hacked off after being severely burned, and squashed in cars and still breath and be conscience. The point of Miracle Day's immortality isn't that you can't be injured but you just have extended life span. That's what is so scary about her "death". All of these people aren't dead.
^ This is partially true, I do tend to love a lot of things that others don't.
I tend to think that Vera was charred alive and is still conscience along with the other bodies in those modules. We have seen people get their heads hacked off after being severely burned, and squashed in cars and still breath and be conscience. The point of Miracle Day's immortality isn't that you can't be injured but you just have extended life span. That's what is so scary about her "death". All of these people aren't dead.
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One would hope, if they're burning the undead-dead, that they're going all out, and burning you down into ashes. Leaving a gharred "corpse" intact just seems like vindictiveness, rather than merely a concern for health. All the other cases you spoke of, have intact parts, burn it all up and the senses should be gone
Yea, agreed Admiral Young, this look at immortality is far scarier than any interpretation I've seen in the past.
One would hope, if they're burning the undead-dead, that they're going all out, and burning you down into ashes. Leaving a gharred "corpse" intact just seems like vindictiveness, rather than merely a concern for health. All the other cases you spoke of, have intact parts, burn it all up and the senses should be gone
Yea, agreed Admiral Young, this look at immortality is far scarier than any interpretation I've seen in the past.
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Admittedly, a very bad example. Maybe Blake versus Potter?
That isn't true. As others have pointed out. Vera and Esther certainly don't. Jack, I think, is teasing him a lot of the time. And Gwen, she seems to be ignoring him more than hating him. If anything, there's very little chemistry with Rex and the rest of the cast. Which I sorta put on Phifer's shoulders.
I feel similarly. If anything, this show feels very American in it's tone. If Gwen and Jack weren't in it, I think it would be like any other American X-files type show. There is a certain quality missing that Season 2 and Children of Earth had. I don't know if it's in the plotting or in the characters themselves, but, it feels like Jack and Gwen are guess starring in their own show.
As I write this, maybe, in a sense they ARE. Much of the original cast is dead. And a lot of time is being given to the new characters, reducing Jack and Gwen from leads to ensemble members.
I'm sticking with it, but, I am disappointed. I know it wasn't going to be like Children of Earth in terms of tone and story telling, but, I did wish it retained the intelligence and character depth from COE.
And I'd take Klinger over Radar any day. Klinger actually had some depth and growth as a character. Radar..? Same old naive virgin farm boy from Iowa episode after episode.
Admittedly, a very bad example. Maybe Blake versus Potter?
That isn't true. As others have pointed out. Vera and Esther certainly don't. Jack, I think, is teasing him a lot of the time. And Gwen, she seems to be ignoring him more than hating him. If anything, there's very little chemistry with Rex and the rest of the cast. Which I sorta put on Phifer's shoulders.
I feel similarly. If anything, this show feels very American in it's tone. If Gwen and Jack weren't in it, I think it would be like any other American X-files type show. There is a certain quality missing that Season 2 and Children of Earth had. I don't know if it's in the plotting or in the characters themselves, but, it feels like Jack and Gwen are guess starring in their own show.
As I write this, maybe, in a sense they ARE. Much of the original cast is dead. And a lot of time is being given to the new characters, reducing Jack and Gwen from leads to ensemble members.
I'm sticking with it, but, I am disappointed. I know it wasn't going to be like Children of Earth in terms of tone and story telling, but, I did wish it retained the intelligence and character depth from COE.
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Radar devolved. He started off as a stealing mischievous bastard keeping book on the local betting and all sorts criminal enterprise and racket.
In all likely hood he must have suffered some sort of head injury with knocked a few dozen IQ points off him to explain the change in character.
Radar devolved. He started off as a stealing mischievous bastard keeping book on the local betting and all sorts criminal enterprise and racket.
In all likely hood he must have suffered some sort of head injury with knocked a few dozen IQ points off him to explain the change in character.
