There was no indication with either Christopher or the night guard that the memories had been erased. Their reactions were very much that of someone who had had a datadump of memories that don't jibe with their current state dropped into their mind, and now they have to figure out what to do with them.
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It would also explain why our heroes sometimes use impulse inside star systems even when in extreme hurry: using warp might actually be slower!
"Circling" may solve the "they should be in the next star system already" part. It doesn't solve the "they spend ages at transporter range of Omaha Base" part, though, unless they switched from doing circles around Sol to doing circles around Earth (and never mind that transporters can't penetrate much rock so wouldn't work for the whole orbit).
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I was merely proving info on what an early draft indicated because I thought it might be interesting to some people re this topic. Did I say it was what indeed happened in the finished episode? Nnnnnnope.
Actually, the explanation for the transporter range thing is simple - they're not actually travelling that fast!
Whilst in real space, rocketing towards the sun, the Enterprise's warp engines are generating enormous momentum (albeit battling against the intra-system slowdown effect) but once they are kicked into the timewarp; everything changes. Now, the warp engines' output is solely being used to sustain the timewarp. Their actual speed is unknown, although we can speculate based on
Or, can they vary their speed within the time warp?
Whilst in real space, rocketing towards the sun, the Enterprise's warp engines are generating enormous momentum (albeit battling against the intra-system slowdown effect) but once they are kicked into the timewarp; everything changes. Now, the warp engines' output is solely being used to sustain the timewarp. Their actual speed is unknown, although we can speculate based on
- the maximum range of the Transporter
- the number of hours in between the two original beamings
Or, can they vary their speed within the time warp?
I just can't make any sense of it
You're eyes have gone crossed. Take a breath and relax.
It's magic time travel, as opposed to another kind?
Does time travel ever make sense anywhere?
There's aliens that look and act almost exactly like us and we can travel impossibly fast with engines that break the time barrier to accomplish it, these things are fine but actual time travel now that's silly. ok.
telerites The Land of the Lost was a closed universe with a strict conservation of matter. For any one to come in, then someone had to go out. Unless it was in the 3rd season, then just forget about it.
There's time travel that has some sort of sensible consistency about how it operates...people who go back to the past have to do something in the past to potentially change the course of events.
As opposed to what I described as magical, when the mere act of traveling back in time seems to undo events from happening as they did, without the time traveler actually doing anything in the past to change things.
As opposed to what I described as magical, when the mere act of traveling back in time seems to undo events from happening as they did, without the time traveler actually doing anything in the past to change things.
I wish they left time travel alone in the original series.
I feel like there is a time (so to speak) for it, and it has its place, but lately it's just annoying me. Probably because writers keep violating how I think it should work.
And it is interesting info that most of us don't have. Thanks.
It would appear that "beans" is a relative term, Admiral.
It might be noted that this adventure is, to our best knowledge so far, the first time our heroes had to deal with the effects of time travel. Understandably, they might be quite confused as to how it's supposed to "work".
I mean, yeah, they went back a couple of days at the conclusion of "The Naked Time", but they were supposedly out in the sticks and odds are they encountered nobody (least of all themselves, as they were kicked across space as well as time, and then set course for their next supposed assignment, not the present one!) during the three repeated days.
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I mean, yeah, they went back a couple of days at the conclusion of "The Naked Time", but they were supposedly out in the sticks and odds are they encountered nobody (least of all themselves, as they were kicked across space as well as time, and then set course for their next supposed assignment, not the present one!) during the three repeated days.
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And as far as I know, their going back in time in The Naked Time didn't save the life of (what was his name, Tormolone?), you know the one that stabbed himself with his steak knife when the disease started affecting him.
The writers sort of cover their bases there - in addition to going to the past, the ship is given fantastically high velocity and thus supposedly whisked across a considerable distance in space. Might have been futile to try and reach Psi 2000 in time to do anything about poor Joe.
Although why Kirk couldn't just send a subspace message to himself and tell him not to beam any teams down to Psi 2000 unless they wore effective protection, we don't know. Perhaps the research outpost was outside the effective range of realtime comms (explaining why Kirk's log just says they're to pick up the science team, and not that they're wondering why the team they are to pick up isn't answering their hails)...
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Although why Kirk couldn't just send a subspace message to himself and tell him not to beam any teams down to Psi 2000 unless they wore effective protection, we don't know. Perhaps the research outpost was outside the effective range of realtime comms (explaining why Kirk's log just says they're to pick up the science team, and not that they're wondering why the team they are to pick up isn't answering their hails)...
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If I recall, Spock and Joe Tormolon were wearing bio hazard suits, but Joe laid his glove aside for a minute to scratch his nose and must have touched the contaminated console with his bare hand when he reached for his glove. And I don't think anyone was around to see him do that. Spock was in another part of the base.
If you watch the episode, he forgets to put his glove back on before poking around under the console, and the mutated water drips onto his hand. Then he gets up, shakes his hand, puzzled, and puts his glove back on.
Four things speak against that.
1) The suits factually offered no protection. Gloves on or gloves off, the hoods were nowhere near airtight, and neither were the glove/sleeve connections.
2) The team did not believe in any sort of a biohazard until after Spock made the determination. Why would they have worn biohazard suits?
3) Whatever Joe Tormolen wore, he did not believe it would protect him against biohazards. Else why remove the glove?
4) Conversely, Spock (after belatedly deciding that there might be a biohazard even though the sensors apparently still say zip) thinks it's necessary to specifically tell Tormolen not to expose himself to anything - this would not be an issue if Tormolen wore protection.
More probably, those things were just cold weather gear, as sensors readily showed it was freezing cold down there. But no sensor showed pathogens..
Timo Saloniemi
^I'd tend to agree with this. If those were supposed to be biohazard suits, they were the worst biohazard suits ever.
This seems pretty sensible. They had no reason to don such gear when they set up for the mission, as there was no information that would have indicated the need for the suits. It's kind of hard to say that any protocols were broken by Tormolen, as Spock's warning came after the former's exposure. Still, one might think that he would have been inherently more cautious, especially for something as trivial as scratching his nose, after seeing what he had of the science team, without having to be told so.
You can't expect good sense out of a guy who'd use a butter knife as a suicide weapon....
It was a 23rd century butter knife. It could cut down a redwood tree.
Kirk's crewmen in some early episodes were portrayed as ill-disciplined and downright dim - Darnell in "Man Trap" committed a similar suicide-by-stupidity. But in his case as well as Tormolen's, we could argue that the threat of the week actually struck earlier already, and the men were already affected and doomed when we first saw signs of them succumbing.
For all we know, Tormolen and Spock got infected right after beam-down despite their suits, and this made poor Joe abandon his only hope of survival. Or then they got the disease because of the gravity fluctuations on the dying planet (the reason quoted in the TNG sequel) so that contact was a non-issue originally. In either case, the droplet flowing uphill at Joe's hand might have been an irrelevant hallucination...
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