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To Rick Sternbach: Puting a baby to bed

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Rick, hi. Never thought I would have an opportunity to talk to you.

Here is the conumdrum..there is a misconception that still permeates the net that the Saucer section of the E-D has warp capability.

I interviewed Ed Whitefire http://www.trekplace.com and he assures me that at no point in the discussions with you and Andrew Probert that there was never an area assigned an internal volume of the E-D for warp drive.

Can you, once and for all, verify the the Saucer Section of the E-D never had warp capability?


My best regard

:techman:
 
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For what it may be worth, Andrew Probert (posting as Probert) stated unequivocally in this recent thread that the E-D's saucer section did not have its own warp drive, namely:

"Warp capability was never given to the Galaxy class design. I don't care how screwy the stories got and how little the time/distance details were considered... there are no warp engines in the Enterprise-D saucer. No saucer from the mind of Roddenberry had warp capability and I was not asked to include a system on the 'D'. That's why changing my large window alcoves into "deflectors" is bogus... at best an attempt to clean up shoddy script writing." - Probert (October 21, 2008).

TGT
 
Since Rick Sternbach was half of the authorship team behind the Star Trek: The Next Generation Tehnical Manual, it is reasonable to assume that the ship's capabilities as stated in that book are largely consistent with Sternbach's perceptions. The book states that the Saucer Module is not warp-capable, except by "coasting" on warp fields generated by the Battle Section prior to saucer separation at warp.
 
Since the impulse engines are described as functioning in a similar manner to the warp drive, it doesn't seem totally unreasonable that the impulse engines double as the sustainer coils, enabling the saucer to maintain the already existing warp field for long enough to get away from the situation requiring the saucer sep in the first place.

Of course, there is Data's line in "Farpoint" how saucer separation isn't recommended at "any warp velocity," never mind the Warp 9.75 that the Enterprise was traveling at the time.
 
Rick, hi. Never thought I would have an opportunity to talk to you.

Here is the conumdrum..there is a misconception that still permeates the net that the Saucer section of the E-D has warp capability.

I interviewed Ed Whitefire http://www.trekplace.com and he assures me that at no point in the discussions with you and Andrew Probert that there was never an area assigned an internal volume of the E-D for warp drive.

Can you, once and for all, verify the the Saucer Section of the E-D never had warp capability?


My best regard

:techman:

As far as what was ever seen on screen, no, the saucer never had the ability to go to warp by itself. In order to rationalize the events in Farpoint, the saucer had to have something to allow it to get flung off and fly some number of lightyears in a coasting mode. I would not characterize it as shoddy scriptwriting, but maybe merely uninformed scriptwriting in the early days of TNG. Trek writers have for the most part not been hardware savvy or super knowledgable in interstellar studies, but that wasn't their job, which is why I and Mike Okuda were able to write a few thousand pages of tech notes over 14 or so years and actually get listened to. We didn't always win, and in some cases we couldn't exactly "fix" a tech problem like the coasting saucer; we did what we could.

Even if Ed implies that there could be some accommodation for some warp hardware, that falls into after-the-fact fannish invention, which is fun to discuss, but it has no effect on the finished episode and likely no effect on future production. I could say that because we didn't see that much of the Ent-D interior, 22.43% of the laboratories and staterooms still hadn't been installed by the time the ship left Utopia Planitia, and could get them dropped in later.

Anyway, sorry to be so verbose, but to me, the saucer could only coast on a pre-established warp field.

Rick
www.spacemodelsystems.com
 
I have always concluded that the Enterprise-D made a break for Farpoint Station even though it was never brought up in dialogue. It's the only explanation as to how the Saucer could ever get there without warp drive.

They then did a "Hail Mary" on the Saucer while just outside or within the system and then did a 180 to intercept Q at the 50 yard line. Hut-One! Hut-Two! :devil:
 
Nah. The ship made a mad dash for Apollo's planet (Pollux IV?) and ditched the Saucer Module there. As the Battle Section faced the Q Ball, Apollo's big green hand hurled the Saucer Module frisbee-style to Deneb IV.
 
Naturally, Trelane got into the act as they passed by Gothos with a fine game of Cricket, 'ey wot Squire? "Damned if I'll ever let Q get away with the Ashes this time..." Jolly good show there with the wicket, though.
 
As far as what was ever seen on screen, no, the saucer never had the ability to go to warp by itself. In order to rationalize the events in Farpoint, the saucer had to have something to allow it to get flung off and fly some number of lightyears in a coasting mode. I would not characterize it as shoddy scriptwriting, but maybe merely uninformed scriptwriting in the early days of TNG. Trek writers have for the most part not been hardware savvy or super knowledgable in interstellar studies, but that wasn't their job, which is why I and Mike Okuda were able to write a few thousand pages of tech notes over 14 or so years and actually get listened to. We didn't always win, and in some cases we couldn't exactly "fix" a tech problem like the coasting saucer; we did what we could.

Even if Ed implies that there could be some accommodation for some warp hardware, that falls into after-the-fact fannish invention, which is fun to discuss, but it has no effect on the finished episode and likely no effect on future production. I could say that because we didn't see that much of the Ent-D interior, 22.43% of the laboratories and staterooms still hadn't been installed by the time the ship left Utopia Planitia, and could get them dropped in later.

Anyway, sorry to be so verbose, but to me, the saucer could only coast on a pre-established warp field.

Rick
www.spacemodelsystems.com
Hi Rick,

I'm curious... have you happened to come across my idea regarding "subspace-assisted impulse" as a pre-warp FTL drive system? I was stewing this stuff over a couple of years back... bothered by a number of issues (WNMHGB's 1701 flight to Delta Vega from the barrier without functional warp drive, various TOS shows which had shuttlecraft doing things that weren't plausible without FTL yet the shuttles clearly being "non-warp," the line about Romulan ships having only "simple impulse, etc) and also trying to relate this to TNG-era stuff (your "sustainer coils" in the impulse drives, the DS9 opener allowing DS9 to travel at clearly FTL speeds through the use of a subspace field generated via the deflector system [clearly FTL because sublight speed would mean days or weeks, not hours, to traverse even intra-system distances], and the use of Enterprise's warp field to decrease the mass of an asteroid at one point, among others).

The idea, which I've spelled out several times, basically states that early FTL ships were not "warp drive" ships at all. They simply created a static subspace field in which the ship's mass was dramatically lowered (as observed from "real space/time") and the local speed of light was increased (again, as observed from "real space/time") so, within this "bubble" of subspace, the ship could accelerate at what would otherwise be unreasonable rates, and to speeds well above "real" c (my limit is 75c, or approximately WF4.2, old-scale). The propulsive energy would still be provided by purely newtonian means... so you'd get FTL impulse drive.

This bubble-effect would be the "space warp" which Cochran invented. TOS-era Warp Drive would be something new (the breakthrough which Jose Tyler referenced as breaking "the time barrier") which, in my version, was discovered by accident when someone had a "stable subspace bubble" go out of control, and discovered the first truly non-newtonian (and also FTL) propulsion system... essentially "surfing on subspace."

Since I used some of your inventions (in particular the "sustainer coil" idea) in this... and since it does allow the 1701D saucer to go FTL and stay FTL without having "warp drive" at all... I'm curious how you view this idea.
 
Sorry to step in here, Cary, but wouldn't special relativity still keep such a vessel from exceeding the speed of light? From what I remember working with Lorentz equations, you're still going to hit infinite mass at c. I know you propose that the local speed of light changes, but I'm having trouble chewing on that.

It does make sense that such an effect might reduce apparent mass and thereby give small vehicles with little room for fuel tanks enormous acceleration and range, but I still can't help but think that when they hit the speed of light as measured by an outside observer, they're at tau times .001 (or whatever) original mass. Which would still be infinite.

With the trip to Delta Vega, maybe the trip did take many months (or possibly even a few years) to an outside observer, but to the crew it was only a few days.

It all depends on your contention that the local speed of light goes up with this FTL impulse drive. Normally, I'd suggest that you prove that, but since we're dealing with science fiction, I'll be happy to break the rules of logic and instead try to refute your contention ... after I get a good day's sleep. :)
 
With the trip to Delta Vega, maybe the trip did take many months (or possibly even a few years) to an outside observer, but to the crew it was only a few days.

Spock noted that Delta Vega was only a "couple of light days away" from their present position during the command briefing, so the Enterprise could have got there within mere hours proper time (i.e., as measured by a shipboard clock) depending upon how close to c the NCC-1701's impulse engines were able to safely accelerate her.

TGT
 
Sorry to step in here, Cary, but wouldn't special relativity still keep such a vessel from exceeding the speed of light? From what I remember working with Lorentz equations, you're still going to hit infinite mass at c. I know you propose that the local speed of light changes, but I'm having trouble chewing on that.
You're quite right... but I'm not suggesting ever "going past the speed of light." Just altering it, locally.

There are two things that this subspace field would do. And, interestingly enough, both are already established IN-CANON as being effects of this sort of subspace field.

First off... per Rick and Mike's work on the Technical manual, the 1701-D's computer cores have "statics subspace fields" which allow the optically-based computer operations to run at FTL speeds. (Which, as far as I'm concerned, is far superior to "bio-neural" computers which, ultimately, are relying on far slower chemical-transmitters which can't really be sped up).

Second... it was done several times, both with DS9 (in the pilot) and with a big asteroid (in TNG) being the ones that come to mind most immediately... a subspace field will reduce the "projected mass" of the object inside of it.

So, you're talking about some value of "c" inside of this bubble that is much higher than it is in real space-time (as observed from outside... ie, from real space-time). It's not 75 times... probably more like 100 or 150 times, maybe even more. The "75c" value I chose as the speed limit using this system is, in fact, where time-dilation effects start to come into significant play even with this system - and that's why I consider this "the time barrier" (as it was described by Jose Tyler).

And you're talking about a dramatically lower "projected mass effect" which means that, when viewed from "real space/time" you might have a mass-shadow of <1% of the ship's real mass. So... if that effective mass-shadow is only 1%, you'd be able to achieve accelerations of 100x what you'd achieve with the same energy output if operating in real space/time rather than in a "subspace bubble."

The short form... it makes you much lighter and increases the speed limit.
It does make sense that such an effect might reduce apparent mass and thereby give small vehicles with little room for fuel tanks enormous acceleration and range, but I still can't help but think that when they hit the speed of light as measured by an outside observer, they're at tau times .001 (or whatever) original mass. Which would still be infinite.
But that's because you're thinking that they're still existing inside of "real space/time." The point is that this little "bubble of subspace" is outside of the "real" universe... it's almost like a little pocket-universe, with transparent walls so you can see in and out, but not limited to the same set of rules.

Or rather, the rules are skewed. Inside of the bubble, you'd essentially see the outside universe as having an effective value of "c" which was far LESS than the "real" speed of light you were dealing with (but you'd be moving at the "real" speed of light as you saw it from your own frame-of-reference), and everything in the "real" universe would be dramatically more dense than it really is. You'd be going at a normal speed, well below the speed of light, and well below the level where relativistic concerns come up. But all the planets, stars, etc, would seem to be much smaller, much closer together, and much more dense.

Drop out of the bubble, and return to "real space/time," and the universe looks normal to you again.

See what I'm doing? I'm not violating those rules you're mentioning... I'm suggesting a way of "side-stepping" them entirely.
With the trip to Delta Vega, maybe the trip did take many months (or possibly even a few years) to an outside observer, but to the crew it was only a few days.
Entirely possible... if you assume that the galactic barrier was just a few light-months or even just a few light-years away from Delta Vega (a "permanent installation") yet nobody'd ever even glanced sideways at the barrier before.

It seems far more likely that they spent a few weeks, or a few months for that matter, at a relatively low but still FTL speed getting back to that first "safe port."

(Granted, the line in the episode says "a few light days" but it's about one light-day just to cross the solar system... so I tend to disregard that line. Perhaps he meant "a few light days under the FTL impulse system" which might well translate to a couple of light-years in "real space")

It also says nothing about how the Romulans could have fought an interstellar war with only impulse ships... or about what the "breakthrough" was that Jose Tyler mentioned, or how "impulse only" shuttlecraft were able to do things that couldn't be done without FTL (things like flying a commissioner from an inhabited planetary system to a rendezvous, or chasing after a starship leaving a system at warp, or investigating a new quasar!)

Either the Romulans had "warp drive" and the shuttlecraft had "warp drive" or they were, in fact, as described - impulse only - but were still FTL.
It all depends on your contention that the local speed of light goes up with this FTL impulse drive. Normally, I'd suggest that you prove that, but since we're dealing with science fiction, I'll be happy to break the rules of logic and instead try to refute your contention ... after I get a good day's sleep. :)
Well, since the idea that all frames-of-reference are inherently only relevant to those viewing the universe within that frame of reference is at the center of our understanding of this particular branch of "modern physics"... it's not a hard sell. ;)
 
Spock noted that Delta Vega was only a "couple of light days away" from their present position during the command briefing, so the Enterprise could have got there within mere hours proper time (i.e., as measured by a shipboard clock) depending upon how close to c the NCC-1701's impulse engines were able to safely accelerate her.

Incidentally, this would suggest that Delta Vega was within mere light days of the Galactic Barrier thing. Perhaps a planned last stop on Kirk's expedition to the unknown, and a planned stop on his return trip as well? It wouldn't need to be sheer coincidence that this nice refueling station would lie so conveniently close to the crippled starship. The way the side trip to Delta Vega is introduced in the dialogue doesn't explicate design or coincidence, and we might be better off if we believed in the former.

Funny then, though, that Kirk would get so hot and bothered about hearing the call signal of an Earth vessel out there. After all, those automated freighters would be frequent visitors to the area, and somebody must have gone there in person originally, too. How is it "impossible" and astonishing that one of the ships or personnel involved would have strayed out the extra few light days?

Timo Saloniemi
 
...the DS9 opener allowing DS9 to travel at clearly FTL speeds through the use of a subspace field generated via the deflector system [clearly FTL because sublight speed would mean days or weeks, not hours, to traverse even intra-system distances]....

Actually, no. As you point out in your next post, our Solar system is less than a light-day across. Neptune's orbit is about 78 AU in diameter, and an AU is about 500 light-seconds, so you're talking less than 11 hours to cross the entire system at the speed of light. Even at just a quarter of the speed of light, you could cross an AU in half an hour.

In "Emissary," it took the station several hours to reach the wormhole. According to the DS9 Tech Manual, the wormhole is some 300 million km (2 AU) from the Bajoran sun. That's a bit problematical, because the system diagram also seen in the DS9TM puts the Denorios Belt beyond the orbit of the eighth planet in the system. I suppose it's possible a system could have eight planets within 2 AU, though, since we've detected systems with multiple hot Jupiters within even smaller distances. Anyway, Star Charts designates Bajor as the seventh planet in the system, which is consistent with the eighth planet being within 2 AU of the sun, and is consistent with what the system diagram shows, in that the seventh planet is the largest of the terrestrial worlds and has a moon indicated. That would make the distance from Bajor to the wormhole (assuming they were somewhere near their closest approach) considerably less than 1 AU, so if it took, say, six hours to move the station there, we're talking a velocity of less than 1/50 of the speed of light. Even if they were on opposite sides of the system, nearly 4 AU apart, then traversing that distance in 6 hours would've required a velocity of only about a tenth of lightspeed.
 
With the trip to Delta Vega, maybe the trip did take many months (or possibly even a few years) to an outside observer, but to the crew it was only a few days.

Spock noted that Delta Vega was only a "couple of light days away" from their present position during the command briefing, so the Enterprise could have got there within mere hours proper time (i.e., as measured by a shipboard clock) depending upon how close to c the NCC-1701's impulse engines were able to safely accelerate her.

TGT
You're absolutely right, and I stand corrected, but as Timo notes, it's kinda weird that the lithium cracking station is a mere "couple of light days away" from where no man has gone before.

Sorry to step in here, Cary, but wouldn't special relativity still keep such a vessel from exceeding the speed of light? From what I remember working with Lorentz equations, you're still going to hit infinite mass at c. I know you propose that the local speed of light changes, but I'm having trouble chewing on that.
You're quite right... but I'm not suggesting ever "going past the speed of light." Just altering it, locally.

There are two things that this subspace field would do. And, interestingly enough, both are already established IN-CANON as being effects of this sort of subspace field.

First off... per Rick and Mike's work on the Technical manual, the 1701-D's computer cores have "statics subspace fields" which allow the optically-based computer operations to run at FTL speeds. (Which, as far as I'm concerned, is far superior to "bio-neural" computers which, ultimately, are relying on far slower chemical-transmitters which can't really be sped up).
Agreed ... I cringed at that bio-neural stuff.

Second... it was done several times, both with DS9 (in the pilot) and with a big asteroid (in TNG) being the ones that come to mind most immediately... a subspace field will reduce the "projected mass" of the object inside of it.

So, you're talking about some value of "c" inside of this bubble that is much higher than it is in real space-time (as observed from outside... ie, from real space-time). It's not 75 times... probably more like 100 or 150 times, maybe even more. The "75c" value I chose as the speed limit using this system is, in fact, where time-dilation effects start to come into significant play even with this system - and that's why I consider this "the time barrier" (as it was described by Jose Tyler).
I see where you're getting the increase in c, based on the stuff about the computer cores. But I've been of the impression that the FTL components work basically by substituting electronic or photonic signals with subspace radio. The 3.35 cochrane field generated within the core raises the speed of light within the field, certainly (and coincidentally drops the apparent mass of the equipment), but the effect is local to the field, not the rest of space. Thus, the processing that takes place within that field, sending bits back and forth at W/F 9.99+ gets done faster.

And you're talking about a dramatically lower "projected mass effect" which means that, when viewed from "real space/time" you might have a mass-shadow of <1% of the ship's real mass. So... if that effective mass-shadow is only 1%, you'd be able to achieve accelerations of 100x what you'd achieve with the same energy output if operating in real space/time rather than in a "subspace bubble."
Yep! I alluded to this in my post. Just lowering the mass of the vessel and its contents brings some pretty nifty advantages even if you can't break apparent light speed with it. Look at how easily shuttles fly without significant thrusters visible. These things might have such a low apparent mass thanks to a subspace field that one could probably toss a functional shuttle with as much ease as tossing a baseball. Or at least, an incredibly awkward cardboard box with the mass of a baseball. Manipulating the field strength might be as normal and natural a part of piloting 23rd Century air and spacecraft as manipulating the ailerons on airplanes.

The short form... it makes you much lighter and increases the speed limit.
It does make sense that such an effect might reduce apparent mass and thereby give small vehicles with little room for fuel tanks enormous acceleration and range, but I still can't help but think that when they hit the speed of light as measured by an outside observer, they're at tau times .001 (or whatever) original mass. Which would still be infinite.
But that's because you're thinking that they're still existing inside of "real space/time." The point is that this little "bubble of subspace" is outside of the "real" universe... it's almost like a little pocket-universe, with transparent walls so you can see in and out, but not limited to the same set of rules.
This is where I'm running into difficulty. Even though the contents of that bubble begin to pinch off into subspace, the bubble itself doesn't. The bubble then takes on the characteristics of its contents, with the apparent mass being the limiting factor. Thus, when you accelerate a bubble containing a shuttle with the apparent mass of a baseball, that mass becomes infinite when the bubble hits the speed of light. It's a lot easier to accelerate such a ship to relativisitic speeds, but once you get there, Einstein starts getting in the way again.

Which is where I start having two, conflicting problems: isn't this essentially warp drive that you're talking about in the first place, and why doesn't this make warp drive just as impossible?

Or rather, the rules are skewed. Inside of the bubble, you'd essentially see the outside universe as having an effective value of "c" which was far LESS than the "real" speed of light you were dealing with (but you'd be moving at the "real" speed of light as you saw it from your own frame-of-reference), and everything in the "real" universe would be dramatically more dense than it really is. You'd be going at a normal speed, well below the speed of light, and well below the level where relativistic concerns come up. But all the planets, stars, etc, would seem to be much smaller, much closer together, and much more dense.

Drop out of the bubble, and return to "real space/time," and the universe looks normal to you again.

See what I'm doing? I'm not violating those rules you're mentioning... I'm suggesting a way of "side-stepping" them entirely.
I understand all of this as a logical consequence of your assumptions, but I don't think the assumption is necessarily right.
With the trip to Delta Vega, maybe the trip did take many months (or possibly even a few years) to an outside observer, but to the crew it was only a few days.
Entirely possible... if you assume that the galactic barrier was just a few light-months or even just a few light-years away from Delta Vega (a "permanent installation") yet nobody'd ever even glanced sideways at the barrier before.

It seems far more likely that they spent a few weeks, or a few months for that matter, at a relatively low but still FTL speed getting back to that first "safe port."

(Granted, the line in the episode says "a few light days" but it's about one light-day just to cross the solar system... so I tend to disregard that line. Perhaps he meant "a few light days under the FTL impulse system" which might well translate to a couple of light-years in "real space")
Agreed ... and I like how your proposal corrects that, even if it does bring us perilously close to the whole Star Wars "Kessel Run" thing.

It also says nothing about how the Romulans could have fought an interstellar war with only impulse ships... or about what the "breakthrough" was that Jose Tyler mentioned, or how "impulse only" shuttlecraft were able to do things that couldn't be done without FTL (things like flying a commissioner from an inhabited planetary system to a rendezvous, or chasing after a starship leaving a system at warp, or investigating a new quasar!)

Either the Romulans had "warp drive" and the shuttlecraft had "warp drive" or they were, in fact, as described - impulse only - but were still FTL.
It all depends on your contention that the local speed of light goes up with this FTL impulse drive. Normally, I'd suggest that you prove that, but since we're dealing with science fiction, I'll be happy to break the rules of logic and instead try to refute your contention ... after I get a good day's sleep.
Well, since the idea that all frames-of-reference are inherently only relevant to those viewing the universe within that frame of reference is at the center of our understanding of this particular branch of "modern physics"... it's not a hard sell.

Mind you, I love what you're trying to do here. There are a lot of things that bother me in Trek canon and you mention some that this solves above. It also makes the Star Trek universe more interesting and complex with different means of going faster than light. I'd love to see hyperspace and jump drives, too. Warp drive then becomes the local favorite, but there might be tactical and strategic advantages to other drive systems. I need to roll this around in my cranium a little longer, I guess. Maybe consult the tech manual, too. Or better yet, see what the guy whom you actually asked this question of has to say!

Rick?! We need you!
 
On Delta Vega, my personal fudge is that the barrier threw the ship a considerable distance at warp before the field collapsed. Maybe the barrier energies even amplified the warp field and caused the ship to hurtle at exceptionally high FTL velocity for a brief period, sending it well away from the barrier.

I suppose another possibility is that the Federation, at some point in the past, sent out robotic expeditions to set up (di)lithium mining stations on remote worlds so that they'd be there for the benefit of the manned vessels that eventually got that far out. This one would've had to be just about the farthest one, though.

Or what might've worked better was if it was an abandoned alien-built station. But then it wouldn't have had those nice handy plug-in white consoles to replace the burned-out black ones on the bridge.
 
Or what might've worked better was if it was an abandoned alien-built station. But then it wouldn't have had those nice handy plug-in white consoles to replace the burned-out black ones on the bridge.

That would explain the Krell doorways on the outside, wouldn't it?
 
...Perhaps Starfleet designed its starships to be compatible with the consoles of long-dead but advanced and widespread civilizations, just for these sorts of emergencies? :devil:

The way Delta Vega was described, it appeared to be a mining station, with ore freighters coming and going. When Spock says it has a lithium cracking plant, this might mean that it has a lithium cracking plant in addition to the mines, and that this fortunate fact allows our heroes to harvest spare power packs there.

Alternately, the planet could be an automated refinery only, and those ore transports would be bringing in ore from mining planets, to be shipped forward to the inhabited parts of the galaxy once the lithium has been cracked (or the ore has been cracked with the help of lithium, which would make far more chemical sense). But such an extensive setup would make it even more illogical that Kirk disbelieves in human/Federation presence in the region. And Kirk does describe the planet itself as rich in crystal and minerals.

Really, Kirk seems to know everything about Delta Vega the moment Spock first mentions it, so the idea that it is a planned waystation (or at least a planned emergency bailout point) on Kirk's journey of exploration gains some extra merit.

I mean, the idea of the ship being flung a long distance by the Barrier is sound as such. But the coincidence of her ending up next to any planet is immense, and for this to be a Federation planet is nothing sort of divine intervention. So either Gary Mitchell did it, or then the ship was actually only flung slightly off her carefully planned course that skirts as many planetary safe havens as possible. Hey, if Kirk's journey was big enough a deal, perhaps Delta Vega was actually founded specifically to support this journey and others like it! (But then Spock probably wouldn't need to speculate on improvising repairs - the station would have the correct spares for just this sort of repair work.)

Timo Saloniemi
 
You're absolutely right, and I stand corrected, but as Timo notes, it's kinda weird that the lithium cracking station is a mere "couple of light days away" from where no man has gone before.

Very true, but if Delta Vega was discovered to be light years distant from the Enterprise's post-barrier encounter position it would certainly have made more sense for Kirk to just subspace radio UESPA - after vaporizing Mitchell with a phaser, naturally - and sit tight while a courier starship delivers the necessary replacement parts than waste potentially many years coordinate time (i.e., as measured by a clock on Earth) in relativistic transit to the lithium cracking station. After all, it is safe to assume that a substantial fraction of the NCC-1701's crew and passengers have family and friends "on the ground" they would undoubtedly wish to see again.

TGT
 
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