To restore the prime universe timeline, the Narada, like the Enterprise C need to go back...

[Guy Gardener]

But I am talking about about in-universe hair splitting.

The Defiant is protected from changes to the timeline during the episode Future Tense, where Kira and O'Brien where hopping all over the damn place looking for a point of divergence to kick at until the "present" started to look like home again.

Actually, I don't recall Kira asking how Bajor was?

If in this dead Earth timeline, Bajor was "Awesome" and maybe the Cardassian Occupation never happened, wouldn't that be a good reason for Kira to kill every one on board the Defiant?

I'm sure she'd feel ###tty while phasering through her crewmates, but hell, it's for Bajor, so the Earthers can suck it.

Which is why they maybe chose to send her off ship to dig through Earth history for Sisko, despite knowing bugger all about Earth History and being a huge prime directive violation if she's identified by the locals as an alien, on top of the temporal prime directive violation if she's identified by the locals as a time traveller.

 

[Irishman]

Why are diehards so attached to the Prime Universe? Is it a sentimental attachment to "the original?" An unwillingness to let go of favorite characters? Dislike for the new movies? A feeling of incompleteness (there's always more stories to tell)? Another reason?

Although many of them would likely deny it, it is a generational thing. 50-somethings and older prefer TOS, chiefly because that's what they grew up seeing. I am 47, with most of my formative years falling in the 70s more than the 60s, so my burgeoning sci-fi love was being shaped by Star Wars, Star Trek the Motion Picture, Battlestar Galactica, Buck Rogers in the 25th Century, TOS reruns, etc. Likewise, for people coming up now, predominately will connect more to more recent productions.

Some fans prefer the 60s aesthetics present in TOS, whether it be the sets, costumes, filming style, ship and prop designs. The further in time and influence the later ST shows and movies moved from that, the less connected these fans feel to the new productions. You will often hear these fans refer to TOS as the standard by which all others are measured by, holding everything else to an impossible standard (the one that exists only in their head), while minimizing the low points of TOS.

We all provide the same kinds of generational biases. Think about your own favorite sci-fi films and movies, and think about when you were within the age range of 6 to 16.

 

[Romulan_spy]

Primeverse is gone, people *really* need to let go.

No, it is not gone. It is an alternate timeline. So it exists in parallel with the prime timeline. Heck, the prime timeline created the kevin timeline so it has to exist somewhere in order for the kevin timeline to happen.

 

[Greg Cox]

No, it is not gone. It is an alternate timeline. So it exists in parallel with the prime timeline. Heck, the prime timeline created the kevin timeline so it has to exist somewhere in order for the kevin timeline to happen.

I don't think people are saying "gone" in an in-universe sense. We all understand the whole time-travel/alternate universe gimmick works. People were saying it was "gone" in terms of it being a going concern onscreen.

But it appears that assessment may be premature if the latest news about the new TV series is correct. It may be that we'll have one timeline on TV and another in the movies, as with the DC superhero stuff these days or the TERMINATOR franchise a few years back.

Works for me.

 

[Romulan_spy]

But it appears that assessment may be premature if the latest news about the new TV series is correct. It may be that we'll have one timeline on TV and another in the movies, as with the DC superhero stuff these days or the TERMINATOR franchise a few years back.

Yes, I am excited as well at the news that the new TV series will be in the Prime Timeline. Fans of the Prime timeline will have something to look forward to even as fans of the Kelvin timeline will continue to enjoy the JJ reboot movies.

 

[Guy Gardener]

No, it is not gone. It is an alternate timeline. So it exists in parallel with the prime timeline. Heck, the prime timeline created the kevin timeline so it has to exist somewhere in order for the kevin timeline to happen.

You don't believe the Guardian of Forever?

(Other episodes of course contrarily support your supposition.)

Here's a disturbing theory on time travel, when someone travels forward in time, if branch theory is right, if all infinite alternate futures do exist, then that person is split infinitely while travelling upstream to all infinite possible futures in a direct line of sight from the then present that that traveller was standing on.

Infinity minus one is the number of infinite thems who arrive exactly where they want to arrive even if trillions of trillions of thems arrive where they arrive, never do notice that what they regard as home is actually alien.

 

[Kemaiku]

People were saying it was "gone" in terms of it being a going concern onscreen.

Yes.

 

[seigezunt]

to restore the Prime Universe ...

bring some elderly actors back from the dead.

 

[Norsehound]

Although many of them would likely deny it, it is a generational thing. 50-somethings and older prefer TOS, chiefly because that's what they grew up seeing. I am 47, with most of my formative years falling in the 70s more than the 60s, so my burgeoning sci-fi love was being shaped by Star Wars, Star Trek the Motion Picture, Battlestar Galactica, Buck Rogers in the 25th Century, TOS reruns, etc. Likewise, for people coming up now, predominately will connect more to more recent productions.

Some fans prefer the 60s aesthetics present in TOS, whether it be the sets, costumes, filming style, ship and prop designs. The further in time and influence the later ST shows and movies moved from that, the less connected these fans feel to the new productions. You will often hear these fans refer to TOS as the standard by which all others are measured by, holding everything else to an impossible standard (the one that exists only in their head), while minimizing the low points of TOS.

We all provide the same kinds of generational biases. Think about your own favorite sci-fi films and movies, and think about when you were within the age range of 6 to 16.

Well, I'm 30. My folks turned into early TNG season 1 and promptly shut it off to make me watch TOS reruns. I picked up TNG later, but my association with Star Trek is the world presented by the original series and the first Six movies.

For me, Star Trek isn't about the deeper moralizing, the theme of scientific resolution over conflict, or being socially progressive. For me, Star Trek is about flying our spaceship to meet the monster of the week and have exciting escapist adventures in space. It feels like the original series was not afraid to have fun, but every subsequent series to follow had to make Trek "About something", and it got serious and talky and had to tone down the fun to try focusing on the message. Only when they lessened the message did the show have some fun (Like Best of Both Worlds for instance).

So even though I'm young, I don't feel I gravitate and appreciate the Abrams movies for mindless action. For me, it's Star Trek finally abandoning the bloated over-thought morality tale of the day and returning to adventure in space. 2009 and Into Darkness were too far in this direction, but Beyond strikes a wonderful balance of being that action story but having some intelligence in the plot.

I'm actually a little sad that Star Trek Discovery, according to some of the statements I've seen, appears to be leaning back towards the progressive TNG model of storytelling. I've waited so long for Star Trek to return to being fun and abandon the berman elements that slowly killed it over two decades... why go back to that?

 

[Dar70]

I am glad the new series will supposedly focus on the primeverse. I know all the treks have messed with time, parallel,altered and alternet universes etc. But I believe that everything we have seem in TOS,TNG,VOY AND ENT...is all one universe with hiccups along the way and the timeline restored.... So the Picard we say in encounter at farpoint is the same Picard we saw in Nemesis..(or did the transporter make a new body for him)...though I'm still not sure about data's Head.........than there's that whole mess with Voyager...... Is Ensign Kim the only original crew member or are they all equal and original (oh wait that was Farscape)

Anyhow regardless of how one thinks that time travel works I am glad we are seeing more prime....

 

[TRON JA307020]

But STAR TREK and the Prime Universe are not the same thing. STAR TREK is a concept; the Prime Universe is just the accumulated continuity of one version of STAR TREK. And neither continuity is more more real or authentic than any other. STAR TREK continues, regardless of whatever continuity is in place.

At, just to be clear, I'm not talking about any in-universe hair-splitting about which timeline is the "alternate" one or whatever. That's just technobabble. In the real world, one continuity is as much STAR TREK as any other. They're both the "main event."

Right none are more real then any other but I suspect there is one universe that started it all. Basically the main(Prime) universe after its creation branches sprung from that main universe. Since we all know that there are thousands according to TNG there is really no way to know what universe was created first. I like to think that the universe that started it all(TOS) is the universe that began and everything else is branched from it. That's the way I think if it while watching ST but I guess until some writer explains it in more depth we can each think of it anyway that pleases us.

 

[ChristopherPike]

I'm certain Bruce Greenwood once said in an interview that the timelines might converge again at some point. That he saw the 2009 film as a way they could do an origin story without having to adhere to every single detail from the Original Series. And then reconnect it back to their films covering them in old age... Presumably him back being in a chair going one beep for Yes and two beeps for No.

But anyway since then his character's been permanently killed off. Probably because he was hanging out with the writers, overheard something Bob Orci said, and then let it slip. Actually Orci's gone too. It's a conspiracy I tells yer!

 

[Phoenix219]

to restore the Prime Universe ...

bring some elderly actors back from the dead.

Ehh... I think the fanfilms prove that we don't care about recasting, so much as we want something completely recognizable in its original trappings, where the characters are blatantly known to be our old familiar friends.... that these characters share the same history and traits as the ones we have grown up watching.

 

[eyeresist]

I don't think people are saying "gone" in an in-universe sense. We all understand the whole time-travel/alternate universe gimmick works. People were saying it was "gone" in terms of it being a going concern onscreen.

But it appears that assessment may be premature if the latest news about the new TV series is correct. It may be that we'll have one timeline on TV and another in the movies, as with the DC superhero stuff these days or the TERMINATOR franchise a few years back.

I guess they have learned the lesson from Marvel, and from Trek's own history, that tying a TV series closely to a movie series is more trouble than it's worth.
And yes, with alternate/parallel timelines, there's no reason the universes can't cross over if the desire is there.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Star Trek: Discovery is set in the Prime universe. That they're planning another Kelvin-universe movie while this series is in production surely proves that nothing needs fixing?

 

[Guy Gardener]

The Flash TV show kids are so lucky that their Flash suit/uniform does not look like candy coating you usually see on an apple.