To restore the prime universe timeline, the Narada, like the Enterprise C need to go back...

[DertyNerdy]

So i was thinking how similar the beginning of 2009 trek and TNG's "Yesterday's Enterprise" is and how both ships, the Kelvin and the Ent-D both encountered a temporal rift, a ship came through and everything changed.

But to correct things, the alternate End-D sent the prime C back and restored the prime timeline. This didn't happen in the "Kelvin Timeline" and so it carrys on.

I think Kirk needs to back in time to the moment the Kelvin engaged the Narada and save his father and somehow send Nero and his ship back to the 24th century prime timeline.

That should be the last movie...

 

[Kemaiku]

Not going to happen. The movie trilogy has now become a series of movies with a fourth installment and the new series is likely set in it or a new one.

Primeverse is gone, people *really* need to let go.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

God, no.....

 

[NewHorizon]

So i was thinking how similar the beginning of 2009 trek and TNG's "Yesterday's Enterprise" is and how both ships, the Kelvin and the Ent-D both encountered a temporal rift, a ship came through and everything changed.

But to correct things, the alternate End-D sent the prime C back and restored the prime timeline. This didn't happen in the "Kelvin Timeline" and so it carrys on.

I think Kirk needs to back in time to the moment the Kelvin engaged the Narada and save his father and somehow send Nero and his ship back to the 24th century prime timeline.

That should be the last movie...

No, that's not how it worked in Trek 2009. The understanding of timelines was different in the 90's. In Trek 2009, the Narada did not 'alter' the prime reality...it splintered off, parallel to it. Both realities exist side by side from that point on.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Primeverse is gone, people *really* need to let go.

No, actually, it isn't.

(After Simon Pegg's recent comments, I admit I was worried, but the Kelvinverse is still an alternate reality. It isn't THE reality.)

For those not in the know, here is the basic thrust of the gist of what Pegg said:

Spoiler: Pegg

The universe depicted in ST09, STID and STB is a completely alternate universe. Not only a different future, but a different present and past as well. They are therefore free to basically do whatever they want in this universe. Hell, they could have Cardassia be a founding member of the Federation if they felt like it. In any case, nothing that happens in this universe changes anything in the Prime universe, which also continues on.

True, all we actually SEE of the prime universe is most likely going to be limited to the novels, but the fact remains, it's still there.

 

[Smellmet]

I've been watching star trek for 37 years and I'm happy to let it go.

 

[Kemaiku]

I meant us seeing it again *headdesk* please don't tell me I have to explain that too.

 

[CorporalClegg]

I meant us seeing it again *headdesk* please don't tell me I have to explain that too.

And by "seeing" you mean having it appear in future installments.

It's important to be precise, Chem.

 

[ChristopherPike]

For what it's worth... there could be a way of telling such a story and creating drama from the decision whether or not to go through with it. Then McCoy or an unexpected character, who isn't Kirk or Spock, ends up making a wildcard decision. Realities merge and this cast end up aboard the Motion Picture refit. Kitted out in the maroon uniforms or some variation we've never seen from the second 5 year mission.

Then again, I can see interfering with George Kirk and the U.S.S. Kelvin's fate, creating a third timeline. But maybe that's the point, screwing with the continuity until fans can no longer keep track. It just becomes something looser like the Bond movies.

 

[Greg Cox]

That would defeat the whole point of rebooting the franchise.

You might as well ask for Ben Affleck to fly the Bat-Plane back to 1966 to restore the old Adam West timeline.

 

[Paradise City]

My brain hurts...

 

[Kor]

So i was thinking how similar the beginning of 2009 trek and TNG's "Yesterday's Enterprise" is and how both ships, the Kelvin and the Ent-D both encountered a temporal rift, a ship came through and everything changed.

But to correct things, the alternate End-D sent the prime C back and restored the prime timeline. This didn't happen in the "Kelvin Timeline" and so it carrys on.

I think Kirk needs to back in time to the moment the Kelvin engaged the Narada and save his father and somehow send Nero and his ship back to the 24th century prime timeline.

That should be the last movie...

Why?

Kor

 

[Mudd]

Nope. Don't want oldTrek back.

 

[Smellmet]

That would defeat the whole point of rebooting the franchise.

You might as well ask for Ben Affleck to fly the Bat-Plane back to 1966 to restore the old Adam West timeline.

Totally agree. It's even more self indulgent than the worse of berman trek and would drive people away from the franchise in the same way. The kelvin time line needs to stand on it's own, not degenerate into a mess.

 

[Smellmet]

Nope. Don't want oldTrek back.

There's just no realistic need for it outside nostalgia. I mean, what stories would be told? I'd be reasonably happy if the new series was set post nemesis but even that's a stretch.

 

[urbandefault]

That would defeat the whole point of rebooting the franchise.

You might as well ask for Ben Affleck to fly the Bat-Plane back to 1966 to restore the old Adam West timeline.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

 

[Greg Cox]

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Not bad, just improbable.

 

[Smellmet]

Improbable and preposterous.

 

[mswood]

Nope, there is no one Prime timeline, even that one had multiple changes made to it, with the single biggest change to what we thank as thee prime universe being Voyage Home. Unlike previous Treks up to this point where the crew actively works to erase their presence and revert as much as possible to how history showed events to occur. Here they give advance medical technology of organ growing, the advance of transparent aluminum to the time of 86. And then the most dramatic they change history so that all life on Earth isn't annihilated (which was up to what we had been shown the proper course of history).

So basically certainly everything in TNG, DS9, Voyager a films V and later would not have occurred. basically Trek has shown hundreds of different quantum realizes. This reboot TOS film series is just the latest. Those other ones are all still there and progressing.

There is only one reason that I would want to see the new tv show to bee set in what wee think of the Prime Universe is so that we could see (well at least the possibility) of previously ship and station designs in HD. Thats about it. Otherwise I would just rather a tv show really flesh out the reboot universe which s never going to get fleshed out enough simply from films. TV is where 99% of the universe building of Trek is.

 

[Kemaiku]

And by "seeing" you mean having it appear in future installments.

It's important to be precise, Chem.

Yeah. I'll get right on that.