To Accept or Not to Accept

[hal9500]

As a loyal trekkie from birth(my father was a life long fan) i view this situation from a logical point of view. First a proven point.

• Star Trek Universe/canon, allows for only one timeline. This has been proven time and time again. To quote Worf from the DS9 EP "Children of time" if you change the past, the time line you exist in is altered. If like in that episode you stop a key event, "your timeline will collapse". Therefore if there is no reset at the end (i doubt there will be in any case) then 40+ Years of trek collapses and is deemed a dead timeline, such as the one in the above DS0 episode. Another example would be STVOY "Year of hell".

Therefore as of the release of this Film, all of star trek history TOS to Nemesis is gone... Period.

Therefore as fans we have a choice, to accept it or not.

From the cancellation of Enterprise, i longed for more trek, and rejoiced at the first Star Trek XI Poster!!! As a lifelong fan i welcomed the film when announced as it was made clear the producers and director would "remain true" to Star Trek itself.

This it would seem is not the case...

I watched Enterprise with growing dissatisfaction but as a loyal follower, devoted, and with seemingly blind faith. If i were to accept this film and view it, i would be betraying the true star trek time line.

Therefore reluctantly i will not view it. For me, Star Trek died with enterprise, and its time line ended with Nemesis... Not a brilliant ending it has to be said. But none the less an ending. I have spent thousands of Euros on star trek memorabilia over the years, and own a full collection of DVD'S, and VHS. I feel, that as a loyal Trekkie i have the right to make this choice. I impose my belief on no one. I merely make it known, and would appreciate your opinion, and how you will deal with it!

Long Live Star Trek,

or

as you may now say

Star Trek is dead! Long Live Star Trek!

 

[Michael]

Star Trek Universe/canon, allows for only one timeline.

Ever watched TNG's Parallels or any Mirror Universe episode?

all of star trek history TOS to Nemesis is gone... Period.

*looks at shelf* Nope, my DVDs are still there.

As a lifelong fan i welcomed the film when announced as it was made clear the producers and director would "remain true" to Star Trek itself.

Which means what? Adhering to a fictional timeline? That's all that was ever true to Star Trek itself? Well, for me, it was always just entertainment.

 

[Borgminister]

I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but... your loss (IMO). I'm teetering on the brink of 50 years old, have seen all the movies and series, have my favorites, but am definitely going to see this movie, altered time line or not.

 

[hal9500]

Mirror Universe is part of star trek canon in linked countless times to the regular universe... In the concept of trek there is one canon.... And this aint it! As i said there is no begrudging involved... Enjoy the film, im just curious as to how this time around (no pun intended) You can reconcile it with the rest. The spoilers, (many of which have been confirmed but will remain unmentioned here for obvious reasons) mean that most of the episodes and indeed films could not have taken place anymore... leaving room for remakes and re-dos...

With regards to the mirror universe it to is irrevocably altered by XI, as its technology originated from an event which may not take place in this mutated canon. Also key characters in several DS9 and Voy Episodes can not exist anymore once the revision takes place.. A seperate time line i could have accepted, but this story alters the current trek timeline... Im sorry if you disagree, but it clearly does. As i said, from one trekkie to another .. enjoy the film.. i know i couldnt.

 

[Kemaiku]

We've been told from the people in charge themselves that this story is exploring the idea of the multiverse, that our "prime" Star Trek universe still exists and that this one exists as well. The universe this film takes place in is akin to the Mirror Universe, its "like" the prime universe but not. Think of it as the "third universe".

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Assuming this film DOES NOT follow the "real" TOS timeline...

Will I still accept it as Star Trek? Sure I will, especially if it (as a stand-alone film) feels like Star Trek and the characters' personalities are what they are supposed to be.

Personally, I would rather this film somehow segue into the familiar TOS timeline, but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy this film for what it is, and more importantly, I will still call it 'Star Trek' if it feels like Star Trek -- canon notwithstanding. It's just a movie.

We have had so many different incarnations of Star Trek -- all with a slightly different "tone" -- but we still accept all of those as 'Star Trek', so why not this one? If the characters are made to feel real, then I will follow those characters into the next film.

I suppose in reality, Star Trek cannot die simply by creating another timeline/alternate universe. That won't stop someone years from now from making another TNG-era film, picking up a few years after Nemesis left off in the "real" Star Trek universe, even if

Spoiler: Romulus

Romulus is destroyed

(not that I think anyone will want to make another TNG-era film)

 

[Michael]

Mirror Universe is part of star trek canon in linked countless times to the regular universe... In the concept of trek there is one canon.... And this aint it! As i said there is no begrudging involved... Enjoy the film, im just curious as to how this time around (no pun intended) You can reconcile it with the rest. The spoilers, (many of which have been confirmed but will remain unmentioned here for obvious reasons) mean that most of the episodes and indeed films could not have taken place anymore... leaving room for remakes and re-dos...

With regards to the mirror universe it to is irrevocably altered by XI, as its technology originated from an event which may not take place in this mutated canon. Also key characters in several DS9 and Voy Episodes can not exist anymore once the revision takes place.. A seperate time line i could have accepted, but this story alters the current trek timeline... Im sorry if you disagree, but it clearly does. As i said, from one trekkie to another .. enjoy the film.. i know i couldnt.

I have no idea what you're talking about. Characters cannot exist? Episodes and movies could not have taken place? But they already have! That's evident in all the DVDs I have. One movie won't erase all that. I don't know what you're getting at. So some series cannot exist if this movie creates a new timeline (which remains to be seen), but so what? It's still there to enjoy!

Also, the Mirror Universe is another timeline which co-exists alongside the normal Trek timeline. Both timelines exist within canon. So why can't this new timeline co-exist with the other two? All three of them canon.

 

[Rii]

Not only do I not have a solution, I can't even grasp the problem.

 

[ST-One]

As a loyal trekkie from birth(my father was a life long fan) i view this situation from a logical point of view. First a proven point.

• Star Trek Universe/canon, allows for only one timeline. This has been proven time and time again. To quote Worf from the DS9 EP "Children of time" if you change the past, the time line you exist in is altered. If like in that episode you stop a key event, "your timeline will collapse". Therefore if there is no reset at the end (i doubt there will be in any case) then 40+ Years of trek collapses and is deemed a dead timeline, such as the one in the above DS0 episode. Another example would be STVOY "Year of hell".

Therefore as of the release of this Film, all of star trek history TOS to Nemesis is gone... Period.

Therefore as fans we have a choice, to accept it or not.

From the cancellation of Enterprise, i longed for more trek, and rejoiced at the first Star Trek XI Poster!!! As a lifelong fan i welcomed the film when announced as it was made clear the producers and director would "remain true" to Star Trek itself.

This it would seem is not the case...

I watched Enterprise with growing dissatisfaction but as a loyal follower, devoted, and with seemingly blind faith. If i were to accept this film and view it, i would be betraying the true star trek time line.

Therefore reluctantly i will not view it. For me, Star Trek died with enterprise, and its time line ended with Nemesis... Not a brilliant ending it has to be said. But none the less an ending. I have spent thousands of Euros on star trek memorabilia over the years, and own a full collection of DVD'S, and VHS. I feel, that as a loyal Trekkie i have the right to make this choice. I impose my belief on no one. I merely make it known, and would appreciate your opinion, and how you will deal with it!

Long Live Star Trek,

or

as you may now say

Star Trek is dead! Long Live Star Trek!

You will not see it?
Good one.

 

[Pindar]

Therefore as of the release of this Film, all of star trek history TOS to Nemesis is gone... Period.

"Time has resumed its shape; all is as it was before. Many such journeys are possible. Let me be your gateway."

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Hey, there's a new "Star Trek" movie coming out in May. Kirk and Spock are in it! Kewl!

 

[hal9500]

I can not go into details on this but one spoiler which has been revealed means that several characters from 23rd and 24th Century Episodes and fims were never born. If you want more info check the spoilers, and confirmed plot details on Memory Alpha. As far as having three universes in canon. Mirror has always been canon. Its linked in the enterprise episode that technology from 23rd Cent came from the regular universe.. And this is not simply a new reimagining like the Battlestar galactica (not a big fan by the way)... Completely separate and not interfering with the original show... This film is linked directly. It is the equivilent of Q going back and destroying the borg when they were first created... No one would argue that they still exist... They would be considered only to exist in an alternate timeline that ceased to be... Again look at the spoilers if you wish... but to quote another famous Sci Fi Epic... "You may not like what you find"

 

[Kemaiku]

^"Our Spock" and Nero both travel from the current Trek universe into this one connecting them, this universe however is different to the one we know given how the kelvin looks compared to the prime universes ships of the time. This is a different reality that moves away from our own, the prime timeline still exists along with it.

 

[BillJ]

As a loyal trekkie from birth(my father was a life long fan) i view this situation from a logical point of view. First a proven point.

• Star Trek Universe/canon, allows for only one timeline. This has been proven time and time again. To quote Worf from the DS9 EP "Children of time" if you change the past, the time line you exist in is altered. If like in that episode you stop a key event, "your timeline will collapse". Therefore if there is no reset at the end (i doubt there will be in any case) then 40+ Years of trek collapses and is deemed a dead timeline, such as the one in the above DS0 episode. Another example would be STVOY "Year of hell".

Therefore as of the release of this Film, all of star trek history TOS to Nemesis is gone... Period.

Therefore as fans we have a choice, to accept it or not.

From the cancellation of Enterprise, i longed for more trek, and rejoiced at the first Star Trek XI Poster!!! As a lifelong fan i welcomed the film when announced as it was made clear the producers and director would "remain true" to Star Trek itself.

This it would seem is not the case...

I watched Enterprise with growing dissatisfaction but as a loyal follower, devoted, and with seemingly blind faith. If i were to accept this film and view it, i would be betraying the true star trek time line.

Therefore reluctantly i will not view it. For me, Star Trek died with enterprise, and its time line ended with Nemesis... Not a brilliant ending it has to be said. But none the less an ending. I have spent thousands of Euros on star trek memorabilia over the years, and own a full collection of DVD'S, and VHS. I feel, that as a loyal Trekkie i have the right to make this choice. I impose my belief on no one. I merely make it known, and would appreciate your opinion, and how you will deal with it!

Long Live Star Trek,

or

as you may now say

Star Trek is dead! Long Live Star Trek!

Timeline actually ended with Living Witness from Star Trek: Voyager.

 

[hal9500]

^"Our Spock" and Nero both travel from the current Trek universe into this one connecting them, this universe however is different to the one we know given how the kelvin looks compared to the prime universes ships of the time. This is a different reality that moves away from our own, the prime timeline still exists along with it.

I respectfully disagree. We never seen the kelvin in any Canon material. In any case set design, clothing ... these are minor trivialities.. The destruction of a planet which Picard called "A Founding Member of the federation" is some what more devastating to the time line.

 

[Pindar]

• Star Trek Universe/canon, allows for only one timeline. This has been proven time and time again. To quote Worf from the DS9 EP "Children of time" if you change the past, the time line you exist in is altered. If like in that episode you stop a key event, "your timeline will collapse". Therefore if there is no reset at the end (i doubt there will be in any case) then 40+ Years of trek collapses and is deemed a dead timeline, such as the one in the above DS0 episode. Another example would be STVOY "Year of hell".

So if your proven point is acurate, then infact everything ended with the VOY episode Timeless, when Harry, Chakotay and the EMH travelled back in time to change history.

Everything we watched after that was in fact not Star Trek by your argument.

 

[StCoop]

It's ALL fiction! There's no "real" Star Trek Universe.

So has anyone told Pocket Books and IDW that they're going to have to stop releasing Trek novels and comics except for ones directly related to this film?

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

^"Our Spock" and Nero both travel from the current Trek universe into this one connecting them, this universe however is different to the one we know given how the kelvin looks compared to the prime universes ships of the time. This is a different reality that moves away from our own, the prime timeline still exists along with it.

I respectfully disagree. We never seen the kelvin in any Canon material. In any case set design, clothing ... these are minor trivialities...

I agree -- I'm not taking your side on the larger argument here, but I do agree that the differences in the "look" of the tech in this film has absolutely nothing to do with altered timelines.

 

[StCoop]

I respectfully disagree. We never seen the kelvin in any Canon material.

That's true of everything in Trek at some point.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

It's ALL fiction! There's no "real" Star Trek Universe

Don't let my wife, Helen Noel, whom I talk to in my mother's basement every night hear that...she'll be devestated!