TNG Rewatch: 5x25 - "The Inner Light"

[tomalak301]

^Maybe, but Q never really got passed off as a blessing, & they did in fact get an important lesson about an impending threat. What did these aliens really offer, besides a warped encyclopedic history?

They offered Picard a chance to live a life where he was a family man and didn't choose starfleet as a life long ambition. I think it was this episode but he even says, "I always believed that I didn't need children to complete my life. Now, I couldn't imagine life without them."

As for the episode, it was a fantastic episode, and Stewart really owned the role.

 

[Makarov]

Has anyone presented the "rape theory" to Patrick Stewart? I'd be interested in his thoughts on the premise.

It would be cool to ask him about the negative side of that episode but I'm pretty sure he wouldn't remember what the episode was about.. Probably wouldn't have an opinion about it. Heck even the writers probably forgot their intentions by now. It's funny how often on the commentaries they say "I don't remember writing this."

Also since his actual son was in the episode I can't imagine he thinks about the story in a negative light.

I wonder what Michael Dorn would say about it though, he seems always on his game.

 

[urbandefault]

I obviously can't speak for the actors, but if they were asked about "mind rape" I'm sure one instance would be unanimously agreed upon. The scene in Nemesis.

Since I don't do cons, I can't ask the question myself. I wonder if anyone else would be willing to ask the question and report back.

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

I obviously can't speak for the actors, but if they were asked about "mind rape" I'm sure one instance would be unanimously agreed upon. The scene in Nemesis.

Since I don't do cons, I can't ask the question myself. I wonder if anyone else would be willing to ask the question and report back.

When you use "mind rape" too often you trivialize and eventually weaken its meaning.

Some people call people who ran a red light "murderers". All that does is make them lose credibility.

 

[urbandefault]

I obviously can't speak for the actors, but if they were asked about "mind rape" I'm sure one instance would be unanimously agreed upon. The scene in Nemesis.

Since I don't do cons, I can't ask the question myself. I wonder if anyone else would be willing to ask the question and report back.

When you use "mind rape" too often you trivialize and eventually weaken its meaning.

Some people call people who ran a red light "murderers". All that does is make them lose credibility.

You're preaching to the choir.

I have expressed my distaste for the trivialization of the "R" word around here, but since there are too many posts for any normal person to read in a lifetime I couldn't expect you to know that.

In case you missed it:

... if they were asked about "mind rape" I'm sure one instance would be unanimously agreed upon. The scene in Nemesis.

 

[Makarov]

It does make sense with the Nemesis scene, although I think even that is an exaggeration. There were all these posts about a mindrape in Nemesis before I saw the movie. But I saw it and thought "that's it?" He really just popped into her head for a moment or two like if you accidentally saw a picture of Rosie O'Donnell during sex. Not as disturbing as the net would have you believe...

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

It does make sense with the Nemesis scene, although I think even that is an exaggeration. There were all these posts about a mindrape in Nemesis before I saw the movie. But I saw it and thought "that's it?" He really just popped into her head for a moment or two like if you accidentally saw a picture of Rosie O'Donnell during sex. Not as disturbing as the net would have you believe...

I believe what happens in "Violations" TNG is much worse and it's been around for much longer too. I wonder why they focus on Nemesis.

 

[Taelon]

Wasn't there an episode of Deep Space 9 where O'Brien was mentally forced to live out a lifetime in a prison or something? I don't see much difference except Picard had a nicer prison.

What do people consider has having happened to O'Brien in that episode?

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

Wasn't there an episode of Deep Space 9 where O'Brien was mentally forced to live out a lifetime in a prison or something? I don't see much difference except Picard had a nicer prison.

What do people consider has having happened to O'Brien in that episode?

You don't see much difference? Are you kidding me???

So to you it makes no difference if you spend the rest of your life in prison or within a loving family? Wow! And I thought I heard everything on that matter!

 

[Taelon]

The point being, he was imprisoned in a fantasy against his will. A gilded cage is still a cage. And to be fair, I DID say that Picard had a nicer prison. Also, it wasn't a loving family, it was a fake family, just like the EMH's one in the Voyager episode "Real Life".

 

[wulfio]

You guys with the rape talk are debating this ironically right?

Because if you're serious... just wow.

 

[kirkfan]

You guys with the rape talk are debating this ironically right?

Because if you're serious... just wow.

I think the irony is that there isn't any irony.

 

[BillJ]

Wasn't there an episode of Deep Space 9 where O'Brien was mentally forced to live out a lifetime in a prison or something? I don't see much difference except Picard had a nicer prison.

What do people consider has having happened to O'Brien in that episode?

You don't see much difference? Are you kidding me???

So to you it makes no difference if you spend the rest of your life in prison or within a loving family? Wow! And I thought I heard everything on that matter!

From the very first episode of Star Trek, "The Cage":

MAGISTRATE: We had not believed this possible. The customs and history of your race show a unique hatred of captivity. Even when it's pleasant and benevolent, you prefer death.

 

[kirkfan]

Wasn't there an episode of Deep Space 9 where O'Brien was mentally forced to live out a lifetime in a prison or something? I don't see much difference except Picard had a nicer prison.

What do people consider has having happened to O'Brien in that episode?

You don't see much difference? Are you kidding me???

So to you it makes no difference if you spend the rest of your life in prison or within a loving family? Wow! And I thought I heard everything on that matter!

From the very first episode of Star Trek, "The Cage":

MAGISTRATE: We had not believed this possible. The customs and history of your race show a unique hatred of captivity. Even when it's pleasant and benevolent, you prefer death.

Aren't you forgetting that Spock risked the death penalty to send the crippled Pike there to spend the rest of his life, IN SPITE of the latter's objections to that plan?

 

[Taelon]

How does that change the nature of the illusions they're trapped in?

 

[BillJ]

Just so we can all get on the same page here: how would one define being assaulted, having someone tinker around in our brain, lie about our past life and then have no issue killing us if someone interfered? All of which happened in the episode.

 

[Ghrakh]

That's a pretty stupid quote from The Cage.

 

[Mojochi]

Fine. Then take this one from TNG

PICARD: Captivity is an injury, regardless of how it's justified.

 

[Ghrakh]

And?

Say it was an attack. OK now what? They're all dead a thousand years. Should Picard be resentful anyway? Seek vengenance on...something? Are we supposed to not enjoy the episode?

I don't get it.

And I still don't.

 

[Memory Alpha]

Lovely episode, but the emphasis on sentimentality unfortunately overtakes and diminishes the more relevant and more interesting environmental issues. Still, a very nice change of pace, but I don't elevate it to the status that some do.