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TNG on 4k?

I have a question.
I was watching an episode of Deep Space Nine, (I know evil, right?)
But one of the characters was doing something and moving across the screen, as in Left to Right, I could see sort of after images or outlines, sort of, of the character as he moved.
What could cause this?
Crappy DVD player?
Crapped out Disc?
Previous head injuries I had?
It was really weird.
 
Dedends on what they figure the Return on Investment is.

[Oh and as for: "Is $50 mil to remaster fourteen seasons of Trek really that much worse than $40 mil to make less than half of one new season of something that's so unlike Star Trek.." <--- Welcome to how A GREAT MANY TOS fans felt in 1987 when TNG premiered... My point: This isn't the first time the Star Trek Franchise has adopted itself to the current presentation and manner of entertainment . Gee - The current modern form of 'Star Trek' is different from the form of it you fell in love with 30+ years ago in 1987...yeah, welcome to the world of someone who loved what Star trek was in 1966; but didn't care for what it had become when returned to TV in 1987.]

1987-1994 TNG has effectively run its course. They've sold it in syndication and sold it both in DVD and Blu-Ray. There are not many who will rebuy and rebuy the same content in a different wrapper.

Star Trek Discovery (however you might view it is brand new.

- Yes, right now it's exclusively on a streaming platform but nothing prevents them years down the line from selling it to whatever internet/cable/over the air TV stations that exist in later years.

- The ST: D Blu rays are selling well.

Bottom line: Overall ST: D offers them a better ROI per dollar spent then another re-release of TNG in yet another format. That's why they're doing what they're doing - Money spent v. Profit returned.

That's true but they still spent money on both shows in hopes to return a profit. And while some people would not repurchase without good reason, diehards still would due to the wealth of interviews and documentaries. that are far above and beyond the DVD releases. But such a number is still comparatively small.

I wonder when the actual STD purchase numbers will come out. "Selling well" can mean anything and there are arguments all over the internet proving that. Never mind the blu-ray set costing $30 means, that at $8 mil per episode, are they really selling enough copies?

The potential for better ROI is there if new fans think it's that good. The only fact is that TNG didn't sell as well as expected for initial sales and most people were whining about the cost, despite the sales price being half that of the DVDs in 2002 and in 2002 there was no restoration work done, and other relevant factors. One can infer DS9 and VOY have lesser initial purchases as well since they were more niche even when they debuted, assuming those who bought the blu-rays were hardcore fans and would buy all things Trek and not all who watched DS9 and VOY were. If enough people bought at a higher price, would the work be done?

I fell in love with Trek before 1987 too -- and it took me a while to appreciate 1987's revival, retcons, alterations to show's premise, and so on... and the callbacks (e.g. pointless models and dialogue lifts/rehashes) still seem silly (pointless and superficial narrative distractions, of which many still don't add up in the in-universe narrative) at times, but it's easier to look at the stories as whole stories and see the premise and ideas without the distractions of "Hey, we're so cool that we're making new Star Trek, we put this model of the original shuttlecraft into this conference room, nudge nudge wink!" (aka "Haven", the countless episodes with the original 1701 in season 1 - apart from the main briefing room behind the bridge - are even more pointless. And why would the 1701 show up in Utopia Planetia's lab when that's like putting a model of an Edsel inside the lab of a Mustang...)
 
I have a question.
I was watching an episode of Deep Space Nine, (I know evil, right?)
But one of the characters was doing something and moving across the screen, as in Left to Right, I could see sort of after images or outlines, sort of, of the character as he moved.
What could cause this?
Crappy DVD player?
Crapped out Disc?
Previous head injuries I had?
It was really weird.

Might be the TV. Is it LCD?

A disc problem would typically be a set of big blocky pixelized images and could be in any sequence depending on dust on the lens or disc, scratches on disc, etc. Outlines might be more akin to a slow refresh time but you'd see that on day one.
 
IIRC, Enterprise was shot digitally in 2K, so there's no source film to create new 4K masters from. Also, the effects were mostly done in 480p and 720p (due to render times).

The first three seasons were shot on film. It was starting with the fourth season that they began using the digital cameras George Lucas used for CLONES and SITH, as it was cheaper than film. Funnily, I think the fourth season looks the most appealing picture wise. It's much more vibrant. However, the first three seasons used what's now rudimentary tech converting 35mm footage to digital. If they were to remaster that 35mm footage today the picture quality would look quite amazing.

Anyway, 4K is never gonna happen for any of the old shows. That's just overkill at this point. TOS, TNG, DS9, and VOY were shows that producers thought viewers would only watch on 19 to 27 inch television sets at the time. Nobody thought they would be viewed on TV screens twice those sizes.
 
A new series that brought 5 million new Netflix subscribers worldwide and is spawning 5 new spin-off series? Yes. Otherwise it would have been cancelled.
How does those 5 million Netflix subscribers equate to CBS ALL ACCESS subscribers? Does spawning 5 spin-offs means success or does it mean it's desperation to keep the suckers who subscribed?
 
How does those 5 million Netflix subscribers equate to CBS ALL ACCESS subscribers? Does spawning 5 spin-offs means success or does it mean it's desperation to keep the suckers who subscribed?
I don't know the CBS stats, only that it's done well enough to justify all these spin-offs.

And of course they want to keep their viewers subscribed:lol: That's not "desperation", that's common business sense.
 
I don't know the CBS stats, only that it's done well enough to justify all these spin-offs.

I wish folks that want DISCOVERY to fail hard will one day learn that it will never solve anything.

When ENTERPRISE got cancelled = A decade of no television Trek.
When DISCOVERY is successful = More Trek shows got green lit.

Why? Because when ENTERPRISE failed that’s what convinced studio execs that Trek was not a profitable franchise anymore and put it on ice. When DISCOVERY got successful, that convinced execs that the brand was in high demand, enough to warrant more shows.

Heck, the success of the TOS movies made way for TNG, like the Kelvinverse films made way for DISCOVERY. More successful Trek means the more liklihood of a Trek show you may like down the road!
 
Might be the TV. Is it LCD?

A disc problem would typically be a set of big blocky pixelized images and could be in any sequence depending on dust on the lens or disc, scratches on disc, etc. Outlines might be more akin to a slow refresh time but you'd see that on day one.

I don't know what LCD means on a tv.
Probably mine isn't that though.
And I'm am really familiar with scratched discs. Very very familiar.
It was just such an odd effect to notice.
I do know that watching the newer movies with "stupid" special effects you can totally notice the jerky movements eye.
But this was an actual character in the show moving and not a special effect.
I thought that maybe the shows were filmed on something other than actual film and I was going to discover it, to my horror, just now.
 
I wish folks that want DISCOVERY to fail hard will one day learn that it will never solve anything.

When ENTERPRISE got cancelled = A decade of no television Trek.
When DISCOVERY is successful = More Trek shows got green lit.

Why? Because when ENTERPRISE failed that’s what convinced studio execs that Trek was not a profitable franchise anymore and put it on ice. When DISCOVERY got successful, that convinced execs that the brand was in high demand, enough to warrant more shows.

Heck, the success of the TOS movies made way for TNG, like the Kelvinverse films made way for DISCOVERY. More successful Trek means the more liklihood of a Trek show you may like down the road!

You make way too much sense here.

Even if you're a die hard Trekie and you absolutely detest Discovery then by all means voice your opinion, but you're cutting your own nose off to spite your face by hoping Discovery fails.

Hopefully now with all the new Trek shows lined up there will be something for everybody and for those of us who will watch it all, the biggest problem will be finding the time!
 
IIRC, Enterprise was shot digitally in 2K, so there's no source film to create new 4K masters from. Also, the effects were mostly done in 480p and 720p (due to render times).
Seasons 1-3 were shot on 35mm film (the same film that was used for TNG/DS9/Voy). Season 4 was shot on videotape in 1080i/p (the camera’s internal vtr could record 1080i only but it could be hooked upto a 1080p VTR; a few exceptions like the teaser to the MU Part 1 episode were done on film, in that case to match the 1996 film). Post-production was done in 1080p.

As for TNG-HD, we haven’t seen any numbers since December 2013 which was only partway through the Remaster process! We don’t know whether TNG was a hit or not (also, CBS would get more revenue from broadcast & streaming than from physical), but considering that SPACE and others are airing TNG using the Remastered episodes, rather than the HD versions of S1&2 and then switching to the SD versions, CBS is making money on TNG-HD.
 
But are they making enough over what the SD versions of DS9 and Voyager bring in to make a remaster worth the upfront investment?
As of right now, the only place that CBS seems to be earning revenue off the 80’s and 90’s masters are the DVD’s (and maybe the odd broadcaster that is still using an old copy that they’ve used for decades, like maybe a channel devoted to programming for the blind or hard of seeing.), otherwise all other sources from broadcast to streaming to Blu-Ray are sourced from the 2012-2014 HD masters.

Also, TNG, DS9 and Voyager have been in profit since the left the air, so the question from a business standpoint is kind of moot, as they would be guaranteed to have a ROI. (Even here in Canada, SPACE is upscaling their Betacam SP masters to 1080i and then are sending that out to their HD channel and downconverting the HD for their SD channel, so there is demand for the series in HD).
 
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As of right now, the only place that CBS seems to be earning revenue off the 80’s and 90’s masters are the DVD’s (and maybe the odd broadcaster that is still using an old copy that they’ve used for decades), otherwise all other sources from broadcast to streaming to Blu-Ray are sourced from the 2012-2014 HD masters.

That's not the question...

CBS earns 'X' amount of dollars from the SD masters of DS9 and Voyager, will the 'X' amount of dollars they earn from potential HD masters be enough of a premium over the SD masters to make the cost of doing the project worthwhile?

And the shows are on pretty much every streaming service out there.
 
That's not the question...

CBS earns 'X' amount of dollars from the SD masters of DS9 and Voyager, will the 'X' amount of dollars they earn from potential HD masters be enough of a premium over the SD masters to make the cost of doing the project worthwhile?

And the shows are on pretty much every streaming service out there.
It will. As I said, there is demand for DS9 and Voyager in HD by broadcasters and the public alike.
 
It will. As I said, there is demand for DS9 and Voyager in HD by broadcasters and the public alike.

If there was that big of a demand, they would already be doing it. Corporations usually don't sit around if there is money to be made.
 
If there was that big of a demand, they would already be doing it. Corporations usually don't sit around if there is money to be made.
They probably have plans but are waiting for an opening in their schedule. And with DS9, CBS May be waiting till after the documentary is released.
 
They probably have plans but are waiting for an opening in their schedule. And with DS9, CBS May be waiting till after the documentary is released.

That makes no sense. If there was money to be made, they wouldn't be sitting around waiting. That isn't how business works. Because tomorrow the demand for your product could be gone.
 
That makes no sense. If there was money to be made, they wouldn't be sitting around waiting. That isn't how business works. Because tomorrow the demand for your product could be gone.
How? We’re talking Hollywood here. A lot of times it takes years for TV series/films to go from idea to screen. If CBS can tie into the hype surrounding the doc, why not wait till it was released to announce anything. Remasters to tie-into new films/TV shows have been done before. I’m reminded of 2004 when Disney released the 1960’s “Spider-Man” series on DVD in Remastered editions—-the Remastering had been commissioned by their European arm due to demand from European broadcasters for higher quality versions, but Disney NA had no interest, except to use the HD masters once they were done. But on both sides of the Atlantic interest in the show had grown because of the 2002 and 2004 films.

Also it seems to me that TNG-R had been on CBS’s board of “Things To Do” since 2008, and they were testing certain things (like just upscaling the SD masters) to see what would work, before they made their announcement in 2011 about the test Blu Ray (maybe CBS is Remastering a complete episode right now to put on the doc Blu-Ray that the doc producers can’t talk about).

The thing with Trek Remastered is that CBS has not said anything publicly since December 2013 about how the Remasters went, and a lot that’s flying around the internet since then comes from 3rd party contractors who have just said what they were told—-and since they are third party, how do we know that upper CBS management didn’t tell them the truth? CBS could’ve told them one thing all the while knowing it was a lie.
 
If they are opportunistic enough, they can release any new bluray to coincide with the new Patrick Stewart Star Trek or some other event. I would think the 50th anniversary of Trek would have been occasion enough to warrant a release of some sort.
 
TNG in 4K might not need happen for us to see a huge improvement in picture quality.

8K TV might be overkill in terms of pixels, but the ai based upscaling that is already in use in 8K sets is said to be a monumental improvement compared to the upscaling in current 4K sets. So much so that 1080 HD footage upscaled on those 8K tvs looks comparable to current 4k footage on 4k TVs.

SD pictures benefit similarly from the ai upscaling, so it's great news for DS9, Voyager, BB5 fans etc as it should give us close to HD picture quality.
 
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