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TNG Klingon Battlecruiser, and other ships...

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I saw this ship recently and was reminded of how as a kid I thought something like this ship was probably part of the Kingon fleet. That the Attack Cruiser we saw was not the Battlecruiser's replacement, but simply another kind of ship in the Klingon Defense Forces. And that maybe an earlier version of it was around in TOS and could show up in a flashback to it.

Did anyone else think this? Does anyone else have similar memories about ships maybe from when they were kids or before they saw more Trek?

I also thought that there were newer classes of Klingon Bird-of-Prey as well. That we just happened to visit an old rust-bucket when Riker did the officer exchange in "A Matter of Honor" maybe in part because the Klingons didn't trust Starfleet near newer technology.
 
That one could easily have been a D-8 or D-9, if they had stuck to that particular naming scheme (insert Klingon name here).

But regardless if the Klingons stole their original ships from the Hur'q or not, they were mostly shown not to be interested in tons of newer ship types, at least until DS9. Of course even then, rust-bucket BoP's.
 
I never like it when a new design is an all-too-obvious hybrid of two established designs, as in this case which can be summed up as “TOS battlecruiser meets TNG attack cruiser”. If anything, I’d focus on designing large birds of prey which kinda look like the Rotarran from a distance but nothing like it in closeups.
 
I never like it when a new design is an all-too-obvious hybrid of two established designs, as in this case which can be summed up as “TOS battlecruiser meets TNG attack cruiser”. If anything, I’d focus on designing large birds of prey which kinda look like the Rotarran from a distance but nothing like it in closeups.
That’s why I like this ship. It looks like a TOS century battle cruiser from far away, but the closer you get the more it looks like a contemporary of the TNG attack cruiser. The level of detail needs some work, but it kinda works for me.

I’d love to see birds-of-prey designs of different eras too. Kudos to ENT for giving us a “raptor” type ship as well.
 
I'm pretty sure the artist ran a WIP thread here when he built that model. And I for one like it better than the TNG one with the pronged bow.
 
I'm pretty sure the artist ran a WIP thread here when he built that model. And I for one like it better than the TNG one with the pronged bow.
Yeah, he did. It was years ago. He did an awesome job.
I was not a fan of the vorcha's squiggly lines, but I like its overall shape.
 
I saw this ship recently and was reminded of how as a kid I thought something like this ship was probably part of the Klingon fleet. That the Attack Cruiser we saw was not the Battlecruiser's replacement, but simply another kind of ship in the Klingon Defense Forces. And that maybe an earlier version of it was around in TOS and could show up in a flashback to it.

Did anyone else think this? Does anyone else have similar memories about ships maybe from when they were kids or before they saw more Trek?

I also thought that there were newer classes of Klingon Bird-of-Prey as well. That we just happened to visit an old rust-bucket when Riker did the officer exchange in "A Matter of Honor" maybe in part because the Klingons didn't trust Starfleet near newer technology.

Good topic!

So the reasons why we never saw new filming models of Klingon ships at the start of TNG were the same reasons why we never saw new filming models of (contemporary) Starfleet vessels or space stations:

1. The producers didn't want to waste budget money building new models if the show wasn't popular and got cancelled, and

2. They had both stock footage from the films and five usable filming models from the movies (The Enterprise-A, the Excelsior, the Reliant, the Grissom and the Klingon BoP.)

For the Klingon ships specifically, they used both stock footage of the K'T'inga class and the BoP from the movies, and later used the BoP model for new shots of generic Klingon ships, but now upscaled to a much larger size than was originally intended, as they didn't have a new large Klingon ship model yet. The two biggest offenders of this being the ships from "The Defector" and the K'Vort class from "Yesterday's Enterprise" (both episodes were before the introduction of the Vor'cha class.)

While Michael Okuda recently posted a photo of his kitbash of the K'Vort class that he offered to the VFX people (but was subsequently refused in favor of reusing the BoP at a larger scale), at least it was an instance where someone thought that a different design than a movie model would work. But for "The Defector," it was problematic because that episode already had three brand-new filming models debuting in it: the new 4-foot Enterprise-D, the 2nd Romulan warbird model, and the Romulan scout ship. There wasn't money in the budget to create a new Klingon ship for the episode as well, so they just upscaled the BoP to ridiculous proportions. I personally would have used the Promellian battlecruiser for that shot, with the ship standing in for a Klingon vessel, which was what actually happened in an episode of Deep Space Nine.

Obviously if I were in charge, I would have built a new large 24th century Klingon battlecruiser and used it as early as "Heart of Glory" (where they just used stock footage of an out-of-date Klingon battlecruiser from TMP). But unlike the link you posted of a custom-built model, I wouldn't have painted it green. I would have kept it the bluish-gray of the K'T'inga, since they already established that 24th century Romulan ships were green. I also would have abandoned the bird motif and went with something different, for the same reason. Actually, I would have given it Starfleet components (like the nacelles) to emphasize the Klingon-Federation alliance. FASA had something similar back in the day:

https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/K'mirra_class
 
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That one could easily have been a D-8 or D-9, if they had stuck to that particular naming scheme (insert Klingon name here).

But regardless if the Klingons stole their original ships from the Hur'q or not, they were mostly shown not to be interested in tons of newer ship types, at least until DS9. Of course even then, rust-bucket BoP's.

FWIW, there's a D9 class in STO. It's meant to be a TOS-era Negh'Var. Link: https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/D9_Dreadnought_Battlecruiser
 
Guess that's one of the good things about cgi.. Can make alot of different vessels and not re use or kitbash stuff.
Enterprise gave us 5 new klingon ships..

The original negvar and vorcha were grey/blue. In the series so happy they got away from green.
 
Guess that's one of the good things about cgi.. Can make alot of different vessels and not re use or kitbash stuff.
Enterprise gave us 5 new klingon ships..

The original negvar and vorcha were grey/blue. In the series so happy they got away from green.
In 20 years, when they have AI’s remastering everything again, I hope they come up with new ships where they had to reuse old ones in the series. The K’Vorts would be target no.1. They could keep the name and type and come up with something else.

In 40 years, when you can command your personal AI to swap stuff in and out, I’d make Probert’s the Ambassador Class in “Yesterday’s Enterprise” and populate lots of the DS9 space battles with it.
 
Also:

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Here’s a question: where do you imagine the bridge on the Vor’cha is? Is it on the top of the fork, or on top of the bow tie?
 
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