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TMP: What are these lines suppose to mean?

I always took McCoy's line as to simply mean that if your goal in life is to "capture God," a task which most people would deem pretty much impossible, you are liable to be in for a big disappointment.

Like if your only goal in life is to become the most important human being that ever lived, you're probably in for a big disappointment.
 
Or Vejur planned to find its Creator, the Creator of all things, only to discover that Voyager 6's creator was a group of long-dead, lowly NASA scientists.
 
I was kinda disappointed that TMP didn't end with Kirk talking V'Ger to death.

Or V'Ger playing "Johnny B. Goode"

Cree-ay-tor...CHUCK BERRY.
 
A beaker full of death said:
The insult was in his explicitly stating he had confidence that she wouldn't fuck around and distract the crew. Of course, it doesn't play very clearly on screen.

I always assumed that was a misunderstanding--Kirk trying to express his confidence in a crew member he'd never met, and Ilia taking that as an insinuation about her ability to control her libido.

That's what it looks like to me, at least.
 
MeanJoePhaser said:
I was kinda disappointed that TMP didn't end with Kirk talking V'Ger to death.

Or V'Ger playing "Johnny B. Goode"

Cree-ay-tor...CHUCK BERRY.

So Kirk would prove humans created V'Ger by singing all the lyrics to "Johnny B. Goode"? Would air-guitar be involved? Or would Spock back him on the Vulcan Lyre?
 
DaleC76 said:
Another line in TMP that always seems strange to me is on the bridge, when Ilia arrives.

Decker says, "Captain Kirk has the utmost confidence in me."

Kirk says, "And in you, too, Lt."

Then, stangely, Ilia responds with "My oath of celibacy is on record, Captain."

The Universal Translator malfunctioned.

The words "the utmost confidence" were mis-translated into Deltan as "his penis".

Joe, clearly
 
There's this whole thing about Deltans and sex and how dangerous it is for non-Deltans that never made it onscreen.
 
Shatmandu said:
DaleC76 said:
Another line in TMP that always seems strange to me is on the bridge, when Ilia arrives.

Decker says, "Captain Kirk has the utmost confidence in me."

Kirk says, "And in you, too, Lt."

Then, stangely, Ilia responds with "My oath of celibacy is on record, Captain."

The Universal Translator malfunctioned.

The words "the utmost confidence" were mis-translated into Deltan as "his penis".

Joe, clearly

:guffaw:

They should make a Rifftrax of TMP...it's still a good movie, but with silly stuff like this and somewhat confusing line delivery/presentation would make it hilarious.
 
Let's make this thread even sadder. Has anyone else wondered what would have happened if VGER had started transmitting it's data upon receiving the codes from the Enterprise? I mean, Starfleet's computers would have doubled over from all that info coming in. Scientists would have still been culling through all of it in Picard's time. And the VGER spacecraft itself... WHAT a technological prize. Of course, the film would have ended with a thud.
 
Why assume that V'Ger didn't transmit? Let's say he only did it for a few seconds, satiating the EM spectrum from the 1 Phz band up with information.
 
A beaker full of death said:
This thread makes me sad.

Now, now... ;)

roger1999 said:


Now, when Ilia was zapped by V'Ger's probe, why didn't her "human" qualities (I know she was Deltan, but I assume she had "our ability to leap beyond logic" & the ability to imagine "other dimensions, higher levels of being") get absorbed into V'ger, which apparently was all he was looking for when he merged with Decker?

Any thoughts?



: )

How's this: because V'Ger did not recognize carbon units as life forms and because V'Ger had no idea that its creator was a carbon unit, it over-looked those qualities. Indeed, I think those qualities became a kind a virus within V'Ger, sneaking up on him and allowing him to accept Decker as God. Notice how central the image of Ilia is during the Spock Walk and how her image and that of the Voyager probe are what flashes on Spock's face plate during the meld. It seems V'Ger "instinctively" chose Ilia, a representative of a species both more mathematically advanced and more sexually advanced than humans, because it knew she had the key to what he himself was in denial about. Notice how he takes her but leaves her tricorder behind, one of the most effective shots in the movie.

All due respect to Timo the movie is much more well-thought out and layered than it appears on first, second and even third glance. It's the only true science fiction film in the movie series.
 
Brutal Strudel said:
Notice how he takes her but leaves her tricorder behind, one of the most effective shots in the movie.

Good catch. Hadn't thought about it like that.

But yeah, the whole 'conception' theme is pretty central to the entire movie. Which is why Ilia is chosen to represent V'Ger (and I think they made a mistake in making the Ilia probe an entity distinct from V'Ger itself)
 
Brutal Strudel said:
How's this: because V'Ger did not recognize carbon units as life forms and because V'Ger had no idea that its creator was a carbon unit, it over-looked those qualities. Indeed, I think those qualities became a kind a virus within V'Ger, sneaking up on him and allowing him to accept Decker as God. Notice how central the image of Ilia is during the Spock Walk and how her image and that of the Voyager probe are what flashes on Spock's face plate during the meld. It seems V'Ger "instinctively" chose Ilia, a representative of a species both more mathematically advanced and more sexually advanced than humans, because it knew she had the key to what he himself was in denial about. Notice how he takes her but leaves her tricorder behind, one of the most effective shots in the movie.

All due respect to Timo the movie is much more well-thought out and layered than it appears on first, second and even third glance. It's the only true science fiction film in the movie series.

I agree with a lot of this. Especially the great ironic notion of V'ger overlooking the very thing it seeks. That can be the very danger of belief sometimes.

However, I've always assumed that V'ger went for Ilia because of what it observed on the bridge of the Enterprise. I don't know how Ilia's mathematical or sexual propensities factored into the probe's decision to snatch her, though because she was navigator and a Deltan, they were clearly part of the package. But I always noticed how quickly the probe took an interest in her the moment she reached down to aid the recently zapped Spock.

Spock was a carbon unit, but he was also a logical darn-close-to-Kolinahr Vulcan. V'Ger may have recognized something similar in him that, although inferior, was "been there, done that." Everyone had been ordered not to interfere with the probe, and it seemed content for a brief period. But then the probe went for the records, Spock went for the hand bash (like a logical, little, Vulcan-firewall) and the probe zapped him aside. It may have intended to scan him further, but Ilia went to aid this little, logical, nanite disease. Although not a "true life form," Spock was Something V'ger may have recognized as a mirror essence of itself. Longing to touch the creator, Ilia's instinctual empathic response to reach out to this simple unit, might have been what caught V'ger's attention. A shiny little sparkle that stood out in a place where no such thing should be. V'ger didn't have to understand what it was; it was simply the mystery that hooked it.

Hope this makes any sense, but that's how I've always seen it.
 
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