TMP vs. ST'09: Comparing the 2 launch films
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STTMP just seems like a longTrek feature because of its content not engaging the senses with action sequences every two minutes and counting.
1.) Epic Scale-Both good, 09 wins because it's tied less to the interior sets with people gawking at view screens for interminable periods.
2.) Visual F/X-Both good in their time, 09 effects are not only better they are more polished because they didn't have a release date crunch.
3.) Cast-Well, I love Nimoy, Deforest, Shatner is ok...the whole cast top to bottom is far superior in 09. Pike blows away any other secondary character out of the water from STTMP.
4.) Direction-Wise was a legend, but lost his touch by that point. Hindenberg started a downward turn. Abrams wins for being fresher, bolder and more inventive for 09.
5.) Stephen Collins (Willard Decker) vs. Chris Pine (James T. Kirk)- Pine by a huge landslide. Not even close.
6.) Starship Design-Well, there are only 2 real starships and V'Ger in STTMP. I love Syd Mead's V'Ger, but I give 09 the edge for the great variety.
7.) Uniforms-STTMP has universally awful Starfleet uniforms, the Klingons fare better, but 09 has a slight edge here.
8.) Dialogue- Aside from a few memorable lines, and a few good bits of philosophy, STTMP's dialogue was a huge weakness. 09 by a mile for it's multi-award nominated script (cant say that about STTMP).
9.) Preference-I don't know what this means?????
10.) Babe Factor-There weren't many babes that I recall in in STTMP. 09 wins easily.
11.) Story-Again, 09's script nominated for a Hugo and Writer's Guild Award, STTMP...not.
12.) Pull with the Mainstream Audience-09, lots of people SAW STTMP, many more people LIKED 09.
13.) Legacy- Well STTMP started it all, 09 has yet to be seen. STTMP wins here.
14.) Marketing Campaign-09 had one of the best trailers I've ever seen. STTMP had Happy Meals....slight edge to modern marketing in 09.
15.) Music- STTMP get the edge here.
16.) Sets (Aesthetics)-Some good sets in STTMP, but the Enterprise interiors were a drab disapointment. 09 could have had some better Starfleet interiors, but for the great variety and newness to Trekdom, 09 wins.
17.) Main Villain-Normally concepts do not fare as well as humanoid villains. I personally love V'Ger and have to give it a slight edge over Nero.
18.) Portrayal of Vulcans, Vulcan culture, and the planet Vulcan. Vulcans were dead solid boring n STTMP, in 09 the were interesting and saw much more of their culture. 09 wins.
19.) Lighting and Cinematography-09, though partially based on WHAT they were shooting.
20.) Sound and Editing-Hard to beat modern techniques, 09, though the Director's Edition of STTMP improves the soundscape.
21.) Action-09 of course, is there any action in STTMP?
22.) Drama- STTMP tries and fails at any real drama, 09 has character growth and tragedy.
23.) Moral of the Story-STTMP, 09's moral is probably somewhat standard for ST, but STTMP's more thoughtful in this respect.
24.) Overall Quality-09 is a clear winner, but STTMP has it's interest.
25.) Makeup-09, though I liked the barely seen aliens in the background of STTMP. Phillips was past his prime by 1978.
2.) Visual F/X-Both good in their time, 09 effects are not only better they are more polished because they didn't have a release date crunch.
3.) Cast-Well, I love Nimoy, Deforest, Shatner is ok...the whole cast top to bottom is far superior in 09. Pike blows away any other secondary character out of the water from STTMP.
4.) Direction-Wise was a legend, but lost his touch by that point. Hindenberg started a downward turn. Abrams wins for being fresher, bolder and more inventive for 09.
5.) Stephen Collins (Willard Decker) vs. Chris Pine (James T. Kirk)- Pine by a huge landslide. Not even close.
6.) Starship Design-Well, there are only 2 real starships and V'Ger in STTMP. I love Syd Mead's V'Ger, but I give 09 the edge for the great variety.
7.) Uniforms-STTMP has universally awful Starfleet uniforms, the Klingons fare better, but 09 has a slight edge here.
8.) Dialogue- Aside from a few memorable lines, and a few good bits of philosophy, STTMP's dialogue was a huge weakness. 09 by a mile for it's multi-award nominated script (cant say that about STTMP).
9.) Preference-I don't know what this means?????
10.) Babe Factor-There weren't many babes that I recall in in STTMP. 09 wins easily.
11.) Story-Again, 09's script nominated for a Hugo and Writer's Guild Award, STTMP...not.
12.) Pull with the Mainstream Audience-09, lots of people SAW STTMP, many more people LIKED 09.
13.) Legacy- Well STTMP started it all, 09 has yet to be seen. STTMP wins here.
14.) Marketing Campaign-09 had one of the best trailers I've ever seen. STTMP had Happy Meals....slight edge to modern marketing in 09.
15.) Music- STTMP get the edge here.
16.) Sets (Aesthetics)-Some good sets in STTMP, but the Enterprise interiors were a drab disapointment. 09 could have had some better Starfleet interiors, but for the great variety and newness to Trekdom, 09 wins.
17.) Main Villain-Normally concepts do not fare as well as humanoid villains. I personally love V'Ger and have to give it a slight edge over Nero.
18.) Portrayal of Vulcans, Vulcan culture, and the planet Vulcan. Vulcans were dead solid boring n STTMP, in 09 the were interesting and saw much more of their culture. 09 wins.
19.) Lighting and Cinematography-09, though partially based on WHAT they were shooting.
20.) Sound and Editing-Hard to beat modern techniques, 09, though the Director's Edition of STTMP improves the soundscape.
21.) Action-09 of course, is there any action in STTMP?
22.) Drama- STTMP tries and fails at any real drama, 09 has character growth and tragedy.
23.) Moral of the Story-STTMP, 09's moral is probably somewhat standard for ST, but STTMP's more thoughtful in this respect.
24.) Overall Quality-09 is a clear winner, but STTMP has it's interest.
25.) Makeup-09, though I liked the barely seen aliens in the background of STTMP. Phillips was past his prime by 1978.
Yeah, I remember seeing the Spider-man tv series pilot at the cinema as a child. I think the Hulk pilot also aired at my local cinema, though I didn't see it.
Interesting. Thanks.
Im not going to go through everything, suffice to say ST09 is the more attractive movie to non trek fans, and many trek fans.
My only two comments are:
Music:
I see alot of people prefering ST09's music over TMP's Music, and this blows me away, I dont understand. TMP set the bar for Star Trek Music, and you can hear its influence all the way to present day(including every episode and movie of TNG). I dont see how ST09 can compete with it at all.
Legacy: you cant really judge that yet, but TMP had influence on every Star Trek that came after it. You can see and hear the legacy of TMP in every Star Trek episode and movie since, including 09.
My only two comments are:
Music:
I see alot of people prefering ST09's music over TMP's Music, and this blows me away, I dont understand. TMP set the bar for Star Trek Music, and you can hear its influence all the way to present day(including every episode and movie of TNG). I dont see how ST09 can compete with it at all.
Legacy: you cant really judge that yet, but TMP had influence on every Star Trek that came after it. You can see and hear the legacy of TMP in every Star Trek episode and movie since, including 09.
Really? I haven't seen this attitude at all (certainly not in this thread, where only one poster favored the music in 09).
Speaking of Star Trek--The Motion Picture, I hope it gets the same deluxe treatment that the scores for 2, 3, 4, and 5 have gotten recently. What a great score.
The score in TMP is great, no argument here, but it was lovely to hear the original theme tune for the first time ever on the big screen.