TMP Seems more "Futuristic" Then "Star Trek '09"

[darkshadow0001]

I watched TMP awhile back ago and realized I think this movie lookes more "futuristic" then the latest Star Trek remake by Abrams. Yes, they are both different movies, Star Trek had more action in it and a lot of cool new designs, but for some reason after watching TMP it seemed to lack the "futuristic" aptitude. The Enterprise re-fit in TMP had a better engine room, and a neat room that you played games in. Each part of the ship just looked like it was made to be in the future... V'Ger looked more threatening then the Romulan ship did... I don't know, is there something wrong with me?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I have no idea, but ST:TMP looks quite dated now and hardly futuristic at all - the sets have the soft, featureless look of fiberglass moldings and wood. JJTrek at least looks current, and the older Trek productions no longer have that going for them.

And V'Ger looks like...nothing, really. Fuzzy and dark. At least Nero's ship is pointy and dark.

 

[F. King Daniel]

TMP looks like 2001: A Space Odyssey. JJ made an effort in STXI to bridge the gap between our real world and Trek's fantasy one - hence the bar being a bar, the shipyard a power plant, etc. He used locations instead of sets or greenscreen wherever possible, and reimagined Treks world in current terms (i.e. the bridge is based on an iPhone). TMP was trying to be a "perfect", sterile future.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Nice as some aspects of TMP are - the Enterprise miniature in particular - its visual design is nowhere in the same realm as 2001. Skiffy movies ever since have referenced 2001's design in many ways - everything from Star Wars to Moon - but nobody much has ever tried to imitate Trek visually except for later Trek.

 

[-Brett-]

Popular sci-fi has sort of conditioned us to think that absurd, skin-tight jumpsuits that no one would ever choose to wear are futuristic.

People in the 23rd are just as likely to wear comfortable clothes that don't look completely hideous.

 

[Gojira]

I wasn't completely happy with engineering in the new movie but I think the new bridge looks much more futuristic than the TMP bridge.

 

[Captrek]

ST09 takes place in 2258 and TMP takes place in 2273, so TMP should look more futuristic.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

People in the 23rd are just as likely to wear comfortable clothes that don't look completely hideous.

These aren't one and the same.

One of the things that skiffy movies got bizarrely right was the idea of people "in the future" wearing colorful jumpsuit type outfits made of stretchy stuff - except that we call them "running clothes" and "athletic wear" and "sweats" and they tend to look hideous and slovenly.

 

[BlobVanDam]

Trek XI looked a lot more futuristic to me, and yet it also managed to look more believable by connecting better to the present day. TMP looked like the 1970's version of the future, just as I'm sure in 30 years time XI will look like this era's version of the future.

 

[beamMe]

Trek XI looked a lot more futuristic to me, and yet it also managed to look more believable by connecting better to the present day. TMP looked like the 1970's version of the future, just as I'm sure in 30 years time XI will look like this era's version of the future.

Exactly.
Star Trek looks futuristic from today's point of view.
It won't last - just as it didn't for the look of TMP.

 

[SchwEnt]

Yes, TMP does have a '70s vibe to it, no doubt.
But I do believe it seems more futuristic than, well, most any other ST.

I am an old fart, so I have followed the development of ST sequentially in real time, rather than jumping back late in the game to other films and series.

I saw TMP as a huge leap forward from TOS, futuristically (that can't be a word).

TWOK and the rest were very much a step-back from that, and evidently intentionally so. Ship decor now used wood, for example.

When TNG premiered, I expected to see ST a century beyond what I knew. But even then, TNG and the 24th century STILL seemed less futuristic than TMP, at least to me. TNG always seemed like a follow-up to TOS directly rather than going beyond from where the films had left off.

To this day, TMP still feels like the most modern or futuristic of any ST series or movie.

 

[RAMA]

I watched TMP awhile back ago and realized I think this movie lookes more "futuristic" then the latest Star Trek remake by Abrams. Yes, they are both different movies, Star Trek had more action in it and a lot of cool new designs, but for some reason after watching TMP it seemed to lack the "futuristic" aptitude. The Enterprise re-fit in TMP had a better engine room, and a neat room that you played games in. Each part of the ship just looked like it was made to be in the future... V'Ger looked more threatening then the Romulan ship did... I don't know, is there something wrong with me?

This is laughable...its trek 09 that firmly brought ST movie making into the 21st century...kicking and screaming I might add!! There is a solidness, a realness to the design often lacking from the Trek movies. Even the cgi model exteriors feel real...possibly the best cgi ships seen to date in a space saga!

 

[RAMA]

Popular sci-fi has sort of conditioned us to think that absurd, skin-tight jumpsuits that no one would ever choose to wear are futuristic.

People in the 23rd are just as likely to wear comfortable clothes that don't look completely hideous.

Quite frankly...they are right, you are wrong...

Why? Well firstly, the reason why you saw so much tight clothes on futuristic movies is that EVERY futurist or consultant recommended to moviemakers of the day that such clothes would be worn in the future, and unlike the material available today of the type, it would even be comfortable. Now jump ahead to the year 2000 or so, Under Armor and similar apparel has become more popular(I wore it before it became "trendy"), eventually I see a whole new category of casual clothing that will be...well tight..

RAMA

 

[CaptJimboJones]

I'm a big fan of both films. That said, TMP looks more '70s than 23rd century. I kept waiting for the disco ball to start spinning on the bridge ...

 

[antiquityscion]

In no way does Star Trek TMP Enterprise bridge look more futuristic than Star Trek 2009. What may be throwing some people is maybe the 2009 bridge looks familiar because everything on the bridge looks like an apple computer-inspired design theme? I don't know.

But CGI enhancement aside, when it comes to exterior shots, I think the refit TMP enterprise does look more "futuristic" than the 2009 enterprise, since it has smaller nacelles that aren't as big and the 2009 version has an actual dish in the front, but that is a matter of opinion.

http://screenrant.com/new-star-trek-movie-uss-enterprise-vic-4205/

 

[Potemkin_Prod]

TMP doesn't look futuristic anymore than Forbidden Planet looks futuristic. It's what the art designers in that decade thought might be futuristic. Sorry, wrong on both counts.

Wife and I watched 2010 this past week and were actually chuckling at some of the "futuristic" things, esp. in terms of computer graphics. I feel the same way about TMP. The crew wearing pajamas, a giant RED ALERT graphic with a computer voice going "Red Alert, Red Alert, the ship is on... Red Alert."

Don't get me wrong. I love TMP, 2010, Forbidden Planet. But there's no way I can consider them futuristic.

Blade Runner is probably more futuristic than most, but I have my doubts about it as well.

 

[Warped9]

I watched TMP awhile back ago and realized I think this movie lookes more "futuristic" then the latest Star Trek remake by Abrams. Yes, they are both different movies, Star Trek had more action in it and a lot of cool new designs, but for some reason after watching TMP it seemed to lack the "futuristic" aptitude. The Enterprise re-fit in TMP had a better engine room, and a neat room that you played games in. Each part of the ship just looked like it was made to be in the future... V'Ger looked more threatening then the Romulan ship did... I don't know, is there something wrong with me?

I generally agree with you in that there's a sensibility about TMP that makes it feel futuristic. ST09 just looks like a juvenile comic book.

 

[-Brett-]

Quite frankly...they are right, you are wrong...

Why? Well firstly, the reason why you saw so much tight clothes on futuristic movies is that EVERY futurist or consultant recommended to moviemakers of the day that such clothes would be worn in the future, and unlike the material available today of the type, it would even be comfortable. Now jump ahead to the year 2000 or so, Under Armor and similar apparel has become more popular(I wore it before it became "trendy"), eventually I see a whole new category of casual clothing that will be...well tight..

RAMA

With obesity rates getting inexorably higher I seriously doubt that the average person will feel comfortable putting every fold of their grotesque, bloated, lumpy bodies on display.

The fit, young, attractive people, maybe. The average person? No. Although maybe that's wishful thinking.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

The tendency of some more recent science fiction to ignore the visual conventions of "futuristic" costuming design is probably in part a kind of "future-proofing" reaction against how ridiculous-looking such outfits look a few years after a movie or TV show is made. What William Ware Theiss called "choosing the lies you're going to tell the audience" is probably a little less necessary as the audience has grown more sophisticated.

And no, there is never going to be an overall trend toward very tight clothing except occasionally in youth fashions. The population at large is not becoming more svelte or fit as generations pass to the extent that they'll accept clothing that doesn't give them any help in disguising their shortcomings. :lol;

 

[MANT!]

Blade Runner is probably more futuristic than most, but I have my doubts about it as well.

So in 2019 everyone's gonna have a mohawk wearing 1940s inspired clothes or be Chinese...

OK..