I don't think the TOS era films got weighed down with continuity. Hell some have complained that they could be inconsistent with what had been established before. Ditto with TNG, at least in the earlier seasons.
TMP Seems more "Futuristic" Then "Star Trek '09"
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TOS films didn't get bogged down with continuity at all. And the TNG films simply ignored continuity altogether, esp. in regards to Data's "emotion chip" and Wesley's sudden reappearance in "Nemesis."
TMP makes me feel like the characters are actually in space and in the future. ST09...not so much.
A telling difference is the presentation of the refit Enterprise. Seeing that magnificent ship being completed in an orbital drydock looks so damned credible and convincing. Seeing the repugnant JJprise being built on the ground in a field in Iowa...not so much.
A telling difference is the presentation of the refit Enterprise. Seeing that magnificent ship being completed in an orbital drydock looks so damned credible and convincing. Seeing the repugnant JJprise being built on the ground in a field in Iowa...not so much.
Problem with this is that Kirk is consistently shown to be a professional officer who follow the orders given to him. The only time he is shown to deliberately disobey an order is with his decision to take Spock to Vulcan in Amok Time. The only times he shows or treats a superior as an idiot is the government undersecratary in Tribbles, who is an idiot and maybe Commodore Stocker, who is in over his head. Yes there are occasions were he disagrees and even argues with superiors, but when they give him a lawful order, he follows it (maybe with gritted teeth).
Other wise he won't have left the galileo seven behind and likely wouldn't have searched for the Intrepid.
Kirk's position in Starfleet is shown to give him lots of professional leeway, it only in Amok Time that he seriously thought he might lose his command and career.
And yes, Abrams would do well to borrow this Kirk and place him in his movies.
To this day I still don't understand where people get this interpretation of Kirk from? It obviously isn't from Star Trek: The Original Series.
To this day I still don't understand where people get this interpretation of Kirk from? It obviously isn't from Star Trek: The Original Series.
The "rebel Kirk" is probably born out of episodes where he challenges authority directly, such as "The Galileo Seven", or goes against orders, such as "Amok Time." But more than likely the misconception that Kirk was a rebel rouser really was born out of the movies, particularly TSFS and TVH.
However, Kirk in the original series does have a strike of questioning authority, as demonstrated by his record of freeing people from machines that rule them in some fashion — such as "A Taste of Armageddon," "Return of the Archons," and "The Apple."
The interpretation of Kirk as a rebel in the latest movie really comes from the fact that he had a different upbringing than Prime Kirk. And the biggest mistake Abrams made in the film was cutting out the preceding scene to the car chase. That scene clearly showed why little Jimmy Kirk grew up to be rebel, because before then he was someone who always listened and did as he was told.
It's a good scene, that's for sure.
First I've heard of this. What was in the scene exactly?
I think they cut it because it spoiled the reveal that Kirk is Kirk, but all they had to was edit it to cut out the mentions of Kirk and it still would've worked, plus they could have the big dramatic "My name is James Tiberius Kirk" at the end.
Sorry, but so what?
A weak reason to cut it. They could have also left doubt as to which brother is which.
Warped9, I just found out about this scene today. You'll have to be a bit more specific as to what your question is. As far as I know, it's a deleted scene that I would have been happy to have left in the film.
Warped9, I just found out about this scene today. You'll have to be a bit more specific as to what your question is. As far as I know, it's a deleted scene that I would have been happy to have left in the film.
It would've made Kirk less of an asshole. In the final cut, all you see is him stealing his uncle's car and trashing it for no apparent reason, which makes him into dick. Having the deleted scene in there would've given him some depth early on and made him more sympathetic to audience.Sorry, but so what?
To this day I still don't understand where people get this interpretation of Kirk from? It obviously isn't from Star Trek: The Original Series.
The "rebel Kirk" is probably born out of episodes where he challenges authority directly, such as "The Galileo Seven", or goes against orders, such as "Amok Time." But more than likely the misconception that Kirk was a rebel rouser really was born out of the movies, particularly TSFS and TVH.
However, Kirk in the original series does have a strike of questioning authority, as demonstrated by his record of freeing people from machines that rule them in some fashion — such as "A Taste of Armageddon," "Return of the Archons," and "The Apple."
The interpretation of Kirk as a rebel in the latest movie really comes from the fact that he had a different upbringing than Prime Kirk. And the biggest mistake Abrams made in the film was cutting out the preceding scene to the car chase. That scene clearly showed why little Jimmy Kirk grew up to be rebel, because before then he was someone who always listened and did as he was told.
Kirk is NOT supposed to be the same as he is in the prime universe...however as the character grows I am sure he will appear to be much like the resulting Kirk that we know from the prime universe. He was already making strides in that direction at the end of the movie.
As far as Kirk the rebel..Kirk disobeyed or interpreted orders to fit his desires many times in TOS and the movies. He did it in Obsession, Galileo 7, Amok Time, Consicence of the King, Balance of Terror (direct orders not to cross the neutral zone), Trouble with Tribbles, STIII, STIV. In STII he "cheated" on a test but was rewarded, showing he started this predilection early. He broke the Prime Directive possibly 12-13 times by my count (other counts may differ..some say 3 dozen, some less). His greatest crime may be in "The Apple" or "A Private Little War".
He's actually a pretty nice guy, he spends much of the middle third of the film (after 3 yrs in the Academy) exasperated because he knows things his superiors don't and feels Spock is playing it safe. He has a personal reasons for doing this as well...his father's death, and the rescue of Pike, both pretty noble I think..
RAMA
