That's what I said.
TMP Seems more "Futuristic" Then "Star Trek '09"
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That's what I said.
15 mil came from whatever they brought over from Phase II plus initial production costs, actor fees, etc. 31 mil was still costs incurred from TMP alone from special effects and other costs incurred during production and post production. They still had to rebuild some of the sets, they still had to redo all the costuming, they still had to recreate a lot of things to transform a production made for a television series into a movie made for the big screen. That costs money.
No matter what you guys say, the movie cost 46 million dollars to make. I mean, there's really no other way to look at it and it doesn't matter how they put it together or how they made it, it still was a 46 million dollar movie. Even if they did take away the initial 15 mil from Phase II and other budgeting towards the movie, it still cost 31 million to make. It still is the most expensive ST film out of all the 6.
There are eleven.
TMP is still a kind of a snooze of a film even though all that money was spent on it.
15 mil came from whatever they brought over from Phase II plus initial production costs, actor fees, etc. 31 mil was still costs incurred from TMP alone from special effects and other costs incurred during production and post production. They still had to rebuild some of the sets, they still had to redo all the costuming, they still had to recreate a lot of things to transform a production made for a television series into a movie made for the big screen. That costs money.
No matter what you guys say, the movie cost 46 million dollars to make. I mean, there's really no other way to look at it and it doesn't matter how they put it together or how they made it, it still was a 46 million dollar movie. Even if they did take away the initial 15 mil from Phase II and other budgeting towards the movie, it still cost 31 million to make. It still is the most expensive ST film out of all the 6.
There are eleven.
TMP is still a kind of a snooze of a film even though all that money was spent on it.
No, there's 21 movies.
Of course there's 11, I never talked about the TNG movies costs or obviously the costs for XI. My comparison was always the first 6. If we wanted to compare it to, lets say First Contact, TMP would still cost more to produce than First Contact if you take into account inflation for the year 1996 (96 mil). First Contact was made for 46 mil though, ironically.Obviously more money poured into XI made it look more "chic" and "hip" and futuristic than TMP. But then, going back to what I said initially, the future is based on current perceptions due to current advances in technology.
I saw remastered The Menagerie on the big screen, does that make it 22?
Yes.
I was just clarifying how far back TMP's tab goes.
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TMP wasn't any more of a "quality production" than ST09.
If we are going to make a comparison, then let's be a bit honest here. The bridge and majority of the Enterprise sets were initially built for a weekly television production, Phase II. They weren't originally conceived with a big-budgeted motion picture in mind despite some of the cosmetic changes they underwent once production shifted from weekly series to motion picture. However, it was still hoped the sets would be used for a new TV series once the movie wrapped.
The sets for ST09, however, were designed and conceived solely for a big-budgeted action-adventure movie.
Whether one bridge or another looks more or less "futuristic" boils down to a subjective aesthetic choice. In other words, you may prefer one over the other, but that doesn't validate one over the other as being "more futuristic."
Certainly, there was a bit more 70s Futuristic thought in TMP, but that only goes so far in the film and not as far as Jesco von Puttkamar suggested. However, that Futurism aesthetic is as dated as the original series, TNG, and all other science fiction movies made within and part of a particular zeitgeist.
As is so often the case, middyseafort is Absolutely Right(TM).
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It's best not to tell him. He'll start getting used to it.
Anyhoo, I like the bridge set of TMP, but the ST09 bridge set feels right to me. While I'm at it, I loved the bridge set for the USS Kelvin.
A complaint made by people who are only looking to complain, as far as I can tell. Unless we're assuming Apple invented rooms with white walls and computers.
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Yeah, plus, I've been in an Apple store. The bridge looks nothing like an Apple store. People make the comment because the comment is frequently made without basis, and it's easy to use as an insult. "Oh no! The bridge looks like a place that is streamlined and organic!"
There's also the readout that shows the binary code Spock refers to, and the stuff on Chekov's targeting display.
number6
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Never walked through Times Square or Newbury St. in Boston, or San Francisco or anywhere in LA on a Friday or Saturday night?
number6
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I love it when he uses the word "Zeitgeist" in a sentence.
Does the bug in the warp formula count too? (On the display maybe written in Vulcan?)
Well, once in awhile, it's nice to hear. Thanks, Dennis.
You're making me blush.
It can be argued that ST09's bridge with its white walls and banks of sleek computers is sticking with the Futurism of the 70s. It was all the rage back then.
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I don't really have a problem with the new Bridge, but I definitely would have been psyched to see something that looked more like the original bridge. That's only because I grew up with the original. I don't think it matters much to fans who grew up on the later shows, or the casual sci-fi fan who watched the show once in a while.
TMP bridge didn't feel "futuristic" to me as much as it felt "more advanced than the original set" which was probably the point. The 2009 bridge felt like Gil Gerard would have been very much at home in his white spandex jumpsuit. I'm fine with that, but I would have been happier if the technology was consistent throughout the ship. If it's going to be the USS Light Bright, then extend that design sense to the engine room as well. In contrast, the bridge of the Kelvin felt like it more closely matched the cement and steel shuttlebay.
Realistically, they just made the whole damned thing accessable to "regular people."
Realistically, they just made the whole damned thing accessable to "regular people."
Though, to be honest, what engine room is really that refined on a ship? Or even a plane? Usually everything is aesthetically pleasing until you reach the engine room/cargo bays.
I can see the direction of where you're coming from. The rough, pipe weaving, tubes everywhere seems very crude in retrospect to the design of the entire ship.
Which was the original point back in the 1960s of doing Star Trek as a TV series, of course.
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