Klingon scene is excellent!
TMP Re-Edit Project (v2)
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Exactly. It increases the sense of danger and uncertainty, while being a shocking and horrific scene in its own right.
I've had the same question myself; I keep seeing it in Blu-ray reviews.
If you take a song and turn it down the bass becomes less audible and, consequently, the difficulty in hearing details in the bass increases. Crushing blacks basically means the colorist has decreased the black level of the image so much that once visible details in the shadows has now been lost; it's all just black now.
To see an example, here is a comparison of the various versions of TMP available: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/150-b...icture-collection-comparison-pix-reviews.html
Notice how in the Blu-Ray, the deflector dish and much of the drydock are black. The colorist who worked on this film tried to get the space field black (notice how it's a gray in the other version) and in doing so crushed a lot of the detail out of the picture. They didn't seem to realize that the grayish space fields was a byproduct of the optical compositing done on the film and can't be fixed by simply lowering the black level...
To see an example, here is a comparison of the various versions of TMP available: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/150-b...icture-collection-comparison-pix-reviews.html
Notice how in the Blu-Ray, the deflector dish and much of the drydock are black. The colorist who worked on this film tried to get the space field black (notice how it's a gray in the other version) and in doing so crushed a lot of the detail out of the picture. They didn't seem to realize that the grayish space fields was a byproduct of the optical compositing done on the film and can't be fixed by simply lowering the black level...
Yes, exactly. When Dallas was at its most popular in the early 1980s (with the benefit of excellent music by Bruce Broughton, the same guy who had a song excluded from Academy Award consideration earlier this year because he tried too hard to get it nominated), I used to imagine an entire episode consisting only of meaningful looks between the characters (lust, anger, etc.). It would have worked, too.
Also, I outrank you.
The current BluRay transfer of TMP is my favorite and frankly was a revelation to me when I first purchased it.
I've always disliked how the TMP seemed so washed out and murky in previous releases. The emphasis was on the mid-tones which for me "flattened" the look of the film.
The BluRay transfer is very sharp and everything pops nicely. Yes, details suffer a bit due to the increased contrast but I like it. It's the way I wish the movie always looked and IMHO makes the whole film feels more contemporary and less dated.
I've always disliked how the TMP seemed so washed out and murky in previous releases. The emphasis was on the mid-tones which for me "flattened" the look of the film.
The BluRay transfer is very sharp and everything pops nicely. Yes, details suffer a bit due to the increased contrast but I like it. It's the way I wish the movie always looked and IMHO makes the whole film feels more contemporary and less dated.
Congrats on liking it, but that doesn't mean it was okay on paramount's part to muck with another artists work. Also: you can change the gamma WITHOUT crashing the blacks or clipping the highlights. In fact, one must be really lazy and/or naive to do such a thing, and when combined with the frozen or shimmering grain fields left over from the shoddy DNR process, the complete flattening of the picture in certain parts... it gives a big indication this release could have looked a lot better if Paramount cared.
I mean, just look the clip I showed of the Klingon Cruiser approach and compare it to the blue. Notice how the cloud is very dark and completely the wrong color.
I mean, just look the clip I showed of the Klingon Cruiser approach and compare it to the blue. Notice how the cloud is very dark and completely the wrong color.
Sorry if this is slightly off-topic, but has anybody attempted to create a (mostly) HD restoration of the Director's Edition, using the Blu-ray to replace the same footage from the DVD and upscaling the missing FX shots? It seems like a reasonably simple (if time-consuming) thing to do.
I like the Director's Edition, it's just slightly annoying that's SD only. I'd do it myself if I had the time, but I was sure somebody would have beaten me to it.
I like the Director's Edition, it's just slightly annoying that's SD only. I'd do it myself if I had the time, but I was sure somebody would have beaten me to it.
While possible, this would take a good amount of effort to do properly: you'd need to upscale, denoise, and dust-bust the DVD footage as it's in poor shape compared to the BD master. You'd also need to re-colorgrade the DVD footage as its grading is somewhat different compared to the BD. For the effects shots you'd need to IVTC and de-interlace the video. You'd also have to edit the DVD sound mix to fit the new edit as the frame counts for scenes have a lot of small differences, or you could rip the audio from a LaserDisc of the SLV and modify its track if you were going for the original mix.
All of the above is what I'm doing for my edit, though I won't be using any of the DE effects.
It's easier and less jarring to just use your BD player to upscale the DVD, unfortunately : \.
All of the above is what I'm doing for my edit, though I won't be using any of the DE effects.
It's easier and less jarring to just use your BD player to upscale the DVD, unfortunately : \.
I have the PAL (UK) DVD of the Director's Edition - presumably, if it was interpretted/imported as 24fps footage, it would revert to the same speed and framerate as the Blu-ray (24fps, correct speed)... that is, unless I've misunderstood why PAL speedup happens.
As for the sound, I would leave it as is. It would essentially just be the DVD with matching HD clips dropped over the top wherever available.
Admittedly, it was just a passing thought as I was watching it the other day; I hadn't investigated how plausible it would be to do in practise!
As for the sound, I would leave it as is. It would essentially just be the DVD with matching HD clips dropped over the top wherever available.
Admittedly, it was just a passing thought as I was watching it the other day; I hadn't investigated how plausible it would be to do in practise!
Shhhh... We want Paramount to do this right. Let's not give them ideas on how to nickel-and-dime it.
^ Large companies have whole departments devoted to nickel and dime thinking.
And nicely horrific in effect. McCoy has always had his problems with the transporter and now we see how bad a mishap with one can be.
I agree about the intended narrative purpose of the transporter accident, but I don't buy it. Presumably people have been beaming on and off the ship for months while it was being fitted out. And now it glitches for some reason? I don't imagine a transporter being such an unpredictable piece of technology, but rather a standard piece of ship's kit which is no more likely to malfunction than a microwave oven if used properly.
The transporter scene would bother me less if it was actually referenced again in some significant way and if they didn't play McCoy's dislike of the technology for brief comedy not 20 minutes after it turned a pair of people inside out. It would be like doing the episode Obsession, but ending with a funny scene featuring how silly McCoy is for possibly worrying about Kirk's mental state.
Good points. Remember Chekhov's Gun!
