TMP: Director's Edition
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GodThingFormerly
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Ack! Is there no limit to George Takei's depravity?
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Only ST II was made by the TV division, IIRC.
However, if you've been following the "It's a Wrap!" auctions on eBay, Roddenberry had ordered made a huge amount of costumes for use on Earth, on starbases (including starbase leisure wear and starbase sickbay outfits), and all those multiple versions of uniform class for the main Enterprise crew (including unused travel outfits, sleepwear and lesisurewear), not to mention all the alien ambassador outfits (so barely glimpsed in the final film, but beautifully made out of some amazing fabrics). Such waste! (It's the same philosophy GR used on "Encounter at Farpoint": quick, someone write an Engineering scene, otherwise they won't let us build that set for the pilot!)
Had Nick Meyer not ordered the dramatic change in the look of Starfleet uniform style for ST II, Paramount had enough TMP costumes to last a whole new 5YM without making a single new item!
This one reveals said corncob a bit better...
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Image:Alfa_177_canine.jpg
Never have truer words been spoken. Having seen something of the range of costuming made for TMP back then, I was floored when it emerged that the whole look was going to be redesigned. Floored, flummoxed, and furious.
If the were too bland, they could have been dyed--hell, they were dyed.
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aridas sofia said:
Never have truer words been spoken. Having seen something of the range of costuming made for TMP back then, I was floored when it emerged that the whole look was going to be redesigned. Floored, flummoxed, and furious.
I used to despise the uniforms used for TMP. However as I look back on them, I think they really had a good design going.
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Actually, I appreciate the intention. I've a great fondness for natural materials, and I certainly think I'd appreciate them even more if I were trapped in a confined, closed environment of plastic, steel and ceramics in various composite forms for years.
That the implementation would probably have been as tasteful and natural-looking as a 1970s wood-panelled station wagon is another matter entirely.
But the engineering thing was a very pracitcal decision that showed a lot of foresight and common sense...it was not casting a regular as the chief engineer in the first place, resulting in "musical engineers" for the entire first season, that was idiotic.
The God Thing said:
That was Richard Taylor's philosophy on the subject while RA&A was still the visual effects contractor. On the other hand, when it came to the most dramatic way to finally show V'ger in its full glory, it is hard to beat Robert McCall's proposal.
TGT
So his proposal involved Earth no longer being spherical in the future?
I like how it's shown dwarfing the spacedock office. That bit of scale establishment would have helped.
Dwarf the space station? It actually looks like part of its structure is hidden behind the limb of the planet! It's even casting a shadow across Earth's surface! I think the scale on that one is a little exaggerated myself, though I do like the angle. And that is about the first image I've ever seen giving me a good idea of how the entire V'Ger "maw" appears, at least from the front at a good distance like that. Even after the DE I was still trying to figure out exactly what that maw really looked like.
EDIT: Of course I realize it is just a concept painting and might not perfectly reflect the final vision (The front never glowed red like that, and that area toward the aft looks remarkably like Seaquest if you ask me) But I suspect that is very close to the final shape of the maw as it was shown in the film.
At any rate, I love this movie. I'm going on a cruise. Bye!
GodThingFormerly
A Different Kind of Asshole
I expect that after a few visits to "natural" M-Class worlds of the type we saw in TOS that your typical crewmember would absolutely relish the feeling of being ensconced within a clean, synthetic environment in between drawing the short straw for surface assignments.
Speaking as a pampered child of the 1970s, that era's interior design paradigm will always hold a special place in, if not my heart, then at least my duodenum.
The glow may indicate that V'ger is preparing to deploy its constellation of orbiting plasma weapons through the bow orifice although the final effects footage had them launched from the spacecraft's stern, presumably because a complete miniature was never fabricated.
At any rate, I love this movie. I'm going on a cruise. Bye!
Don't forget your cabana wear!
TGT
Allow me to elaborate. I like how it's shown dwarfing the spacedock office. I don't like how it's shown to be comparable in size to Earth itself. I'd like to have seen something like the former in the DE, but not the latter. As others have pointed out, its size as expressed in the movie is consistent with dwarfing the space station, but it wouldn't be all that big compared to Earth. (Its cloud, OTOH, at either 82 AU or 2 AU, would have made Earth seem like a grain of sand on a beach.)
The matte process for the Klingon ships in the beginning should have been corrected, and cgi ships added as well. The novelization gives one a sense of wonder. Open the scene up!
The Original TMP Lounge (soon to makes its way to TNG, combined with TOS's briefing room) would have been great! :thumbsup:
The Star Trek V Shuttlecraft in the Spacedock scene instead of the pod (come on, the TOS one is in the DE), and the Star Trek: First Contact warp effect (ship and star stretch. At least the TMP effect is better than the rainbow blur used at the end of Wrath-Undiscovered Country. It even was used in Generations. :gag: Voyager's Flashback, and the Shattered Universe video game did it better with the FC effect. Yay!) should also have been added. :thumbsup:
Change the Starfleet Uniforms! Brighten up the Bridge! Add Okudagrams to the displays! Take off the hoods on the viewers (used to disguise that they are Tvs)! Shield Flares! Add DS9 style kinked long hair, bumpy individual foreheads that go from the brow to the base of the skull, and different individual beards to the Klingons! Make the Enterprise's nacelles cylinders again! :thumbsup:
The Original TMP Lounge (soon to makes its way to TNG, combined with TOS's briefing room) would have been great! :thumbsup:
The Star Trek V Shuttlecraft in the Spacedock scene instead of the pod (come on, the TOS one is in the DE), and the Star Trek: First Contact warp effect (ship and star stretch. At least the TMP effect is better than the rainbow blur used at the end of Wrath-Undiscovered Country. It even was used in Generations. :gag: Voyager's Flashback, and the Shattered Universe video game did it better with the FC effect. Yay!) should also have been added. :thumbsup:
Change the Starfleet Uniforms! Brighten up the Bridge! Add Okudagrams to the displays! Take off the hoods on the viewers (used to disguise that they are Tvs)! Shield Flares! Add DS9 style kinked long hair, bumpy individual foreheads that go from the brow to the base of the skull, and different individual beards to the Klingons! Make the Enterprise's nacelles cylinders again! :thumbsup:
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