TMP: Director's Edition
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trevanian
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He's not being pissy, he is just having to explain a mistake (a deliberate one guess) made by the folks who worked on the DE. They generated a virtual camera view based on measurements, and that is what we see with that ugly damned nacelle. But the view is from an already-occupied position (the rec deck), or from a 'stealth' deck suspended in space right above the ship and the rec deck.
If they had just gone for the Probert view on the DE, they'd have had an aesthetically pleasing twin nacelle view, instead of that sore thumb nacelle. But if they were smart enough to do that, then they'd've been smart enough to FIX ALL THOSE COLOR-DEFECTED shots with these guys standing in front of the window, you know, the ones where the uniforms turn from blue to grey.
If they had just gone for the Probert view on the DE, they'd have had an aesthetically pleasing twin nacelle view, instead of that sore thumb nacelle. But if they were smart enough to do that, then they'd've been smart enough to FIX ALL THOSE COLOR-DEFECTED shots with these guys standing in front of the window, you know, the ones where the uniforms turn from blue to grey.
trevanian
Rear Admiral
Aldo said:
^^^I love you trevanian! You put to words everything I'm thinking about
So what we don't agree on Bond, we agree on this :thumbsup:
Keep up the good fight.
I guess you must be having an awesome day, given the 'ten more years of Craig' news I read earlier today. I kinda feel like going into hibernation myself, but, like you said, it's good we agree on SOMETHING.
Actually, the only nacelle thing that bothered me was during the beauty shots in dry dock, when it was looking at the Enterprise straight on from slightly above... it's at 33 seconds at the following link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD1_ENMynpI
I'm not sure what it is, but they never looked right. I think the pylon may look bent or curved right at the top. That's my only issue though. Personally, though the DE looked better I thought it was still very slow and boring.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD1_ENMynpI
I'm not sure what it is, but they never looked right. I think the pylon may look bent or curved right at the top. That's my only issue though. Personally, though the DE looked better I thought it was still very slow and boring.
trevanian
Rear Admiral
TGT used to have links to a particular artist's san frisco and tram art, so if he chimes in here he might still have a link. You can see some of this stuff in old issues of ENTERPRISE INCIDENTS (probably between issues 8 and 17) ... in fact, TGT apparently has a full set of Robert Abel (first fx company) boards, though I don't know if they are in storage or what. I'd commit a decent amount of mayhem to get a gander at them, that's for sure. You can see a somewhat different version of Vulcan in pics of Yuricich in old STARLOGs (same general painting, but different in color and I think missing those goofy big balls in the sky.)
DS9Sega said:
Something that could have looked vaguely like this, had someone been desperate enough to rotomatte a million frames:
I really like this image. Would have been great to see. I even like the muted lighting in the room.
Mind if I copy the pic to my computer?
I think this is the one you are talking about --
Several years ago I brought that painting to TGT's attention. He had forgotten about it, but when I mentioned that I believed it had ties to Paolo Soleri's work he was fascinated. He became very interested with it, and contacted Povill and Yuricich and Rocco Gioffre among others. You see, Yuricich didn't do those matte paintings alone -- he jobbed some of the work out to others that went uncredited, among them, Gioffre.
TGT talked to some of these people and got all kinds of info on inspirations Roddenberry gave to them -- Walter Dorwin Teague's 1939 diorama of a future San Francisco consolidated pier with the rest of the coast returned to its natural state, a triptych by Hieronymous Bosch titled the "Garden of Earthly Delights," the Planetran subterra intercontinental supersonic subway proposed by Rand Corporation and used as the basis for the tube on the GG Bridge, and so much more. Supposedly Roddenberry recommended Francisco Mujica and Hugh Ferriss' work as examples of Subterra thinking, though I can't trace down anything by them that dealt with underground cities. Antonio Sant'Elia is one of the Futurist architects that he recommended to the matte painters as well.
An amazing amount of thought went into that painting, and the world it represented (and that was further fleshed out in --among other things -- various storyboards from that film that I have in my collection). And it was all tossed aside when it came time to "reimagine" SF for the DE. While I am in agreement with the many technical points you and TGT have raised in the past , it is this minor thing that peeves me the most. It represents such an ignorance of how important and fleshed-out this "utopian" world of Roddenberry was to the man, and to his vision of the culture that was able to send these starships on their way.
ST-One
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DS9Sega said:
Something that could have looked vaguely like this, had someone been desperate enough to rotomatte a million frames:
That really does look great, and is of course the original idea for the setting of this scene.
If you listen to the new audio commentary you will learn that they considered redoing this whole scene like in the above picture.
I hope they can redo it for the 30th anniversarry edition
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