TMP-DE fully restored in 4K…it’s about time!
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That would have been a much later understanding, then. In one of the interview video features on the TMP-DE DVD, Robert Wise himself said that at the time they were making the film, they understood that the story was taking place ten years after the series because that's how much time had passed in real life. He said he didn't know where the idea that TMP took place only a couple years after TOS came from. That would have been the Okuda Chronology from 1995, which Mr. Wise wouldn't have been familiar with because he had long since moved on from Trek.
Yes, even going off of the film itself, there are arguments against it taking place a whole decade later. But just two years is kind of pushing credibility. 1987's Mr. Scott's Guide to the Universe had the events of TMP happening about five years after the five-year mission, which seems more reasonable.
Anyway, if the overall concept of the DE was supposed to be making the version of the movie that Robert Wise would have originally done back in '79 if he had been able to in the first place, then inserting that extra gap in the landing bay with the TOS shuttlecraft (none of which was on the original storyboards) doesn't quite line up.
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Disco, it is out of place. One moment has the computer shout 'INTRUDER ALERT!' nine whole times before the probe even arrives onto the ship.
Recent article about the DE 4k restoration:
https://redshirtsalwaysdie.com/2021...ors-edition-4k-remastering-new-pics-released/
https://redshirtsalwaysdie.com/2021...ors-edition-4k-remastering-new-pics-released/
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I think I missed something. I was just talking about the computer voice, not it's timing in the scene. Last I checked you were talking about the gender of the voice ...
I've mentioned on several occasions that the presence of the computer voice in TMP is obnoxious and redundant. Changing all the computer's lines to a female voice would not fix the issue. Outside of the two instances in the Director's Edition where a computer's voice is used, all instances of a computer's voice should be purged.Ok..
I think I missed something. I was just talking about the computer voice, not it's timing in the scene. Last I checked you were talking about the gender of the voice ...
Yes, and the Pocket novelists in the early 80s had worked on a collective assumption that there was another 5YM (or even "Phase II") between the end of TOS and TMP. But perceptions changed over time and when Diane Duane's "Rihannsu" novels went into a giant-sized reprint omnibus, they were rejigged slightly to gloss over those previous assumptions. An extended mission for the Enterprise then filled the long Stardate gap between TMP and ST II instead.
But the DE Team and Wise discussed the rethink of fandom's assumptions. Adding a TOS shuttlecraft was an Easter egg. You know that if they added a more modern shuttle, fans would still complain, just a different set of fans.
The computerised audio translation of the Klingon report, and also the thruster suit audio instructions, are both dropped from the DE DVD.
Good calls on those as well. The Klingon translation revealed details about the V'Ger cloud too early in the film. In regards to the thruster pack, when you need to spend 23 seconds listening to audible instructions on how to use it on top of the 10-second countdown to ignite the darn thing, it's probably best not to associate it as an emergency evacuation device.
I'm doing my own home brew memory wall scene where Kirk and Rand pursue Spock (pasting Grace Lee Whitney's CGI avatar inside Spock's original spacesuit). For it to make sense, I had to port the Kirk/Spock reunion into a second chamber inside V'Ger, which means I added looped footage of Spock's trip through the aperture a second time, blotting out the Enterprise in the background. I wonder if using the computer voice in the second chamber could help give it a different feel to the first trip...
The idea that the replacement klaxon is less irritating is debatable, but the consequence that because it's quieter, it should sound continuously over every scene of peril instead of turning off after ten seconds is so bizarrely wrongheaded I don't understand how that survived test-screenings. The red-alert alarm being annoying and staying on too long is a stock Star Trek joke, but aside from constantly hearing Picard yelling at Data to "turn off that damned noise" in my head whenever I'm watching the DE, I'm just baffled by the idea that the computer saying "Intruder Alert!" three times is repetitive and annoying, but it just going "Bworp! Bworp! Bworp!" for three minutes is fine.
I can't control why things baffle you, but I will say that it was nine times the computer said "Intruder Alert!" and not three. At least when the Bworps were happening, it was during a critical situation. When the computer screams 'Intruder Alert!" nine times and there are no intruders, well. It's not just repetitive, it's contextually incorrect.
I'm ambivalent. For the hybrid SLV and DE I have to add the red alert klaxon over the top of the original klaxon which means the red Alert runs for a loooong time. I might try and do a compare and contrast with the Theatrical cut to see if it's better with or without.
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Talk about overthinking it. The word "conquer" doesn't necessarily refer to conquest. Did Roddenberry never hear the phrase "conquer your fears"?Where are my bell bottoms?
I seriously doubt a director of Wise's stature would be influenced in this way (nor do I think he had the time to see Alien anyway). I thought the klaxon and alert voice was obnoxious in 1979, and I still do. The DE was much more in line with the rest of Trek.
Wow there's some extensive changes going on here - more than I expected. I thought I was hoping in vain for the FX on the VGER reveal over earth at the end of the movie (which is the only bit of weak FX in the DE IMO) to be re done but judging by these pics it looks like a real possibility.
